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[–] Hikuro93@lemmy.world 91 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Goes to show how much this isn't about Luigi, or even Brian Thompson. It's about the elite sending a message to the other 99%. Think, even if their case against Luigi is rocky at best, all that matters is they can get him to pay for Brian, regardless of whether he did it or not, or where the evidence points.

All that matters is that we the "peasants" get the underlying message:

  • If you kill/harm an elite they'll chase you and make you pay with the full weight of their resources (and emphasis on "resources", not necessarily "law").
  • If you did not kill or harm an elite you're still at risk, because then they'll choose a "peasant" scapegoat to pay anyway.

All that matters is that they get to take their pound of flesh, and that the "peasantry" gets discouraged to fight for their rights as the elite takes, and takes and takes.

Which is why it's so important that regardless of Luigi having done it or not, he should walk free unless there's solid, undeniable evidence of him doing it, like an actual and verified non-deepfake video of the assassination with his clear face on it. And even then he must only face the consequences the law demands, and what others would face in his place for killing the everyday average Joe. The fact that the life lost was an elite should have no bearing on the consequences.

[–] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Sure, but it's gonna be a real stupid attempt if they take it to trial with such shaky evidence, all it takes is a single juror going "lol no way do I trust that evidence" and the jury is hung, a few jurors on his side and he could likely be found not guilty and that would be the end of that, no retrial, he walks a free man.

[–] Rakonat@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago

I assume that jury selection on this particular trial was almost certainly tampered with to pick the least sympathetic to accused to out right bribed or blackmailed into being told how they will decide the case or else.

Brian Thompson was murdered, but all the evidence that has been made publicly available certainly suggest that Mangione had nothing to do with it. The images release of the shooting and the hotel do not match, purportedly the hotel images were 2 weeks old at the time, we've gotten no other proof that he was even in the city on the day of the shooting, as well as the backpack found in central park abandoned, yet supposedly 3 days later the suspect had the fake IDs, weapon and manifest on his person while out to lunch?

I'm sorry but no, this entire thing reads like they just want to crucify Luigi because they fucked up their investigation so bad they're never going to catch the real culprit and his name must have been on a watch list or something to make him a convenient scapegoat.

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[–] excral@feddit.org 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

But that's actually a risky strategy. If it becomes too obvious they're pinning it on the wrong guy, the narrative will flip to "If you kill one of them, they will just have a random scapegoat take the fall and let you go free"

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[–] Bloomcole@lemm.ee 44 points 1 day ago

Normal US cop behavior

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 34 points 1 day ago (4 children)

She also found a napkin with a drawn map of Deeley Plaza with lines of fire, and a Polaroid of Shergar cuffed to a radiator.

[–] Doctor_Satan@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago

And Jimmy Hoffa's ring.

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[–] The_Caretaker@lemm.ee 58 points 1 day ago

The pictures of Luigi in the lobby of the hostel were taken 3 miles away from the shooting, two weeks before the shooting. The jacket, backpack, eyes and eyebrows of the shooter don’t match Luigi’s. I think that immediately after the shooting, cops used Palantir or similar technology to do an AI search of images similar to the shooter. That just meant anyone on a camera the cops had access to wearing a green jacket with a hood and a black neck gaiter. The image of Luigi smiling at a girl in the lobby of a hostel two weeks earlier was the best match the AI found, so they framed his ass. Cops do it all the time. Ask the Central Park Five. NYPD and prosecutors would rather let a guilty man go free than admit that they lied and framed someone.

[–] Robotsandstuff@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago

Eat the rich

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 61 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Hooooooleeeeeeee fuck that is a comically blatant frame job

But also: corroborating articles? I’m not finding anything from AP or similar that back this up. How fresh is this?

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 34 points 1 day ago (1 children)

corroborating articles

https://www.wtaj.com/news/local-news/new-photos-show-luigi-mangiones-arrest-defense-argues-for-evidence-to-be-suppressed/

The defense argues that the search of Mangione’s backpack further violated his rights, arguing that there were no circumstances that constituted police conducting a warrantless search of the backpack. In the motion, Mangione’s lawyers wrote that it was only once an officer conducting the search “she had made a potentially devastating mistake by thoroughly searching the backpack of a murder suspect in a significant New York press case without a warrant, she suddenly stated that she was searching through the backpack at McDonald’s to make sure there ‘wasn’t a bomb or anything in here’.” However, Mangione’s defense team notes that the bomb squad was never called and the McDonalds was not evacuated over concerns of a bomb, but that another officer did tell the officer conducting the search that they “probably need a search warrant for it.”

Defense attorneys claim that some of the body cam footage is missing including 20 seconds of when Mangione was being questioned by a police when an officer placed his hand over his body cam and the 11 minutes during which the backpack was transferred from the McDonalds to the Altoona Police Department Precinct. The motion goes on the state that once that officer’s body cam footage resumes, it shows her immediately re-opening and closing the backpack compartments she already searched and then opening the front compartment of the backpack “as if she was specifically looking for something. Instantly, she ‘found’ a handgun in the front compartment.”

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Good find. That does indeed look pretty damning in the context of chain of custody. I’d be fairly shocked if a reasonable judge doesn’t tell the DA to go fuck themselves with anything yielded from “his backpack”, given that. But that’s also highly dependent on the judge.

[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 10 points 1 day ago

You know that they've selected a judge non randomly. It's safe to assume the judge is going to let this evidence in, but it's possible that the appeals court will overrule them. I'm sure the defense is hoping for the best and planning for the worst.

[–] taiyang@lemmy.world 239 points 2 days ago (23 children)

At this point the funniest thing would be if the real assassin was to take down another healthcare CEO.

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[–] Gerudo@lemm.ee 174 points 2 days ago (18 children)

Jokes aside, I honestly don't know if he's the guy.

What I do know, is if this part is true, that should be enough to put doubt into the "beyond a reasonable doubt" part in the jury.

[–] Aeri@lemmy.world 69 points 1 day ago (17 children)

I just point blank don't believe he did it.

Let's say I kill a high profile individual on the street you know, hypothetically.

Do you seriously believe that I'd be casually hanging out in public at a McDonalds with a manifesto and loaded gun in my bag? I'm pretty sure that my first port of call if I was assassinating someone would be "Burn all the evidence in an alleyway somewhere, get new clothes on, and lay low for pretty much the rest of my fucking life, possibly in Mexico"

[–] CooperRedArmyDog@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago

and you think my manifesto would start praising with how amazing the cops are and we need to thank them, and we should not rise up?

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[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 53 points 1 day ago (10 children)

Now is a good time to remind people to never ever agree to a police search. They're gonna phrase things weird and take advantage of your good nature. Never agree to any sort of search.

Hell, even if they have a warrant I'm tempted to explicitly say I don't consent. I'm not going to resist but I'm gonna make it clear I'm not consenting. Because how the hell do I even verify a warrant is real? I have no idea, and I certainly wouldn't be able to find out if they're at my door.

Be aware though, in Georgia there is "implied consent" with regards to roadside breathalyzer tests. If you get in that situation, remember I'm just a random lemming and not a lawyer. Other states might have similar things.

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[–] Madrigal@lemmy.world 386 points 2 days ago (44 children)
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[–] obre@lemmy.world 83 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Something that needs to be considered is the possibility of parallel construction in the arrest and alleged evidence

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[–] crawlspace@lemm.ee 45 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I've been saying all along everything happened too quick for him to be the actual guy. It was pretty clear to me they were desperate to make an example of someone quickly and not accurately.

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[–] misteloct@lemmy.dbzer0.com 46 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

They need to play 12 Angry Men for every jury before deliberation, but play it twice for this particular jury. That's not the kind of evidence you send a kid to the chair over.

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[–] Neuromorph@lemm.ee 63 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 62 points 1 day ago

This. The chain of evidence is tainted and cannot be accounted for. Anything in the backpack could have been placed there by anyone, at any time, before, during, or after his arrest.

My feelings on this: good. One less thing that they can use against him. If his defense doesn't get any evidence from the backpack thrown out, then idk what they're even doing.

[–] Wilco@lemm.ee 171 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Well that sure is weird.

No jury Nullification needed. It looks like it really was a frame job. Can't wait to see this case unfold.

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