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[–] ProbablyKaffe@lemmygrad.ml 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

no, but a small sliver of mostly white "leftists" have picked up malthusianism but this largely exists due to their misunderstanding of reality, like yt supremacists they just accept the "not enough room for more people" lie of Imperialism

[–] ComradeLuz@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago (19 children)

I have heard that from some, but from most I am told that it is due to global warming and the high cost of living.

[–] principalkohoutek@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Life: submit to capitalism, you're powerless to change anything, the planet is baking, sometimes there are treats, two full time incomes required to survive, everything is poison, it's only going to get worse

Me: you know who would like this? Children

[–] lemat_87@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Rise your kid to be another soldier of revolution!

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[–] ProbablyKaffe@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 1 year ago (27 children)

Yeah those things require revolution to fix

Do we allow the bourgeoisie to practice eugenics on our classes or do we fight back?

If you think we can revolution why not have kids? I'm saying this only if such worries are preventing you from having kids that you would want to have otherwise. I understand it's not for everyone but I want to push back on people who've accepted defeat.

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[–] DeDollarization@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 1 year ago
[–] DankZedong@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 1 year ago

I personally don't feel the need to procreate. But I don't think it's a left wing issue. Many comrades in our party do want kids or have kids it seems.

[–] CicadaSpectre@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My understanding is that there's a trend in fundamental Christianity, here in the US anyway, where people think it's their duty to have as many children as possible. That said, there's also a good chunk of people who come from those upbringings who become very progressive minded, defeating the whole effort.

[–] ComradeLuz@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

That is a thing in all abrahamic religions because what i heard is that Jews and Muslims also think is their duty to god to be “fruitful” and multiply.

Note: I put fruitful in quotation marks because that is the biblical term

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[–] AlbigensianGhoul@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 1 year ago

Childfree here, and I think it might be a side effect of having to do a lot of thinking about society against the current.

Having children is a lot of work that often gets romanticised and oversimplified, so once you look at it really hard it's no longer that obvious of a good decision. Sexist men also have no concept of how hard it is to both give birth to and raise a child, so if you're a man and generally think women deserve rights, I bet you'll be more conscious about that.

[–] American_Badass@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Buddy, you seem very concerned with this topic, and maybe you shouldn't be. Politics aren't really genetic.

I have a very lax attitude towards kids, I don't think of it in any larger terms beyond what it is: the responsibility of having a kid.

Also, my wife is pregnant again. Too early to announce, but anti natalists owned once again.

[–] ButtigiegMineralMap@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Congratulations comrade👏🙂

[–] bubbalu@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

I badly want to have (adopt) children. Baby fever has had me in its claws for years and years. The time isn't right yet in terms of my own emotional development and degree of rootedness. I also haven't found the right person or people to co-parent with. My boyfriend cried the other night because we could have been good parents together, but we're incompatible in some other long-term ways which make that unadvisable.

It's not for lack of wanting. I think there are more leftists with principled hang-ups around having kids that they don't feel able to work through under capitalism, but ultimately ours is an ideology of love that extends to the future and seems to me pro-children.

[–] CantaloupeAss@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If it was up to me I'd have a bunch of kids and turn em all into commies

[–] lemat_87@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is exactly what I am going to do 😁

[–] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Many parents are leftists because they care about their childrens’ future. I think the impression that rightists have more kids is because rich people can afford to have more kids while poor people can’t. There are also weird religious beliefs that many far right rich people have that make them think they need to have as many (white) kids as possible while prominent “leftist” rich people are often Malthusian.

[–] Addfwyn@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 1 year ago

I am very childfree, can't stand being around children for more than five minutes. Had a vasectomy years and years ago. On the other hand, I am not necessarily anti-natalist, I don't begrudge other people wanting to have children for good reasons. For good reasons is the big caveat there though.

I definitely feel like I see more childfree people in leftist circles, but on the other hand I also see more folks who I think are prepared to be parents for good reasons and that would actually make good parents. As opposed to people who think it is their god-given duty to procreate or just do it "because that's what you do", which seem to be more common right-wing tropes.

Obviously that is generalizing to some degree, but just seems to be what I have noticed anecdotally.

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 1 year ago

I think its related to religion, not economic views. It just happens that religion is very intertwined with right wing politics.

An example, in my city the "old money" families are part of the opus dei catholic sect which promotes having lots of children. These families also are incentivized economically to do so, they need more kids to inherit their ever growing amount of property and land.

[–] lemat_87@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The world is awful, parenting is not easy, but ML gives me strength to overcome all this, protect my children, and in the future teach them sense of justice and ML to fight for a better world. Do not buy antynatalism bullshit, we need more educated and brave people!

[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] lemat_87@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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[–] Blinky_katt@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 1 year ago

Maybe not left wing, but more likely to be socially liberal due to this stance generally goes against the social and cultural messaging, which considers having children to be a normal part of life and necessary to experience, or even mandatory as your duty as a human.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I never wanted to have children or to procreate or anything, in fact I hated being around kids... up until I started my transition.

Now I despair that I'll never give birth and am planning to adopt someday. Turns out, I just never wanted to be a father.

Now, I'm not saying that leftwing childfree folks are all eggs!

But.

[–] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Communist>trans>children

[–] Leninismydad@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Anti-natalism as a result of being treated like shit by their parents seems to be a common occurrence I have noticed.

or from suffering for any reason at all, figuring out how bad capitalism actually is. and deciding that it's wrong to force someone to live here.

[–] ComradeLuz@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, that and being broke .

[–] Ronin_5@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If materialistic conditions aren’t favourable, I’d imagine so. The left is much more materialistic than the right, which is more idealistic.

[–] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not exactly, many left libs are anti natalist because they have Malthusian ideology. My take is that leftists being usually poorer can’t afford to have as many kids as the wealthy people who think god wants them to never stop birthing.

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[–] lemat_87@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Right more idealistic? This is, apart of generalization fallacy, simply not true. Most of right wingers (I now many, sadly) are consumptioninst fucks (calling them pigs would be an insult to these intelligent and lovely pink animals). Ideas of Marx, Engels, Lenin and Mao revolutionised the world! What ideas are behind conservatives, except keeping the status quo and exploit everything you can for selfish whims?

[–] Ronin_5@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The ideas of Marx et Al are based on material conditions, hence materialistic. It means that your ideologies are based on material conditions, or based on what reality is. Hence, scientific socialism.

Idealistic is the opposite, meaning that your ideologies are based on ideas; you think that things are this way because they should be this way. Which doesn’t really make sense.

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[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

The way I see it, we probably won't see communism victorious in our own lifetimes. That being the case, why do we continue to struggle if not for our collective children?

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