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[–] azimir@lemmy.ml 156 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)

"It turns out not burning a bunch of fossil fuels leads to less pollution"... news at 11.

The really dumb part of all of this is that people have just accepted cars as the default mode of transportation for so long that it's hard to even envision a world without them. They're normal, despite being expensive, dangerous, horribly inefficient, killing people actively (crashes) and passively (air pollution, plastic in our lungs, parkinsons/dementia, obesity, and more), and directly contributing to isolation in our communities. Every car we can get off the road, especially in our cities, makes the world a better place.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 51 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

people have just accepted cars as the default mode of transportation

That wasn't an accident and it didn't just 'happen;' it was the very deliberate result of a combination of automobile and oil industry propaganda and US government policy back in the 1930s-1950s, motivated by several factors ranging from utopian modernist city planning to good ol'fashioned racism.

Some random sources to get folks started:

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

there's also the argument that pushing to distribute population centers away from cities forced the soviet union to manufacture larger and more numerous atomic weapons to maintain parity with US capabilities.

not in the "hey we want to save as many people" way it's portrayed, more like, let's make it harder for the sov's to equal the potential megadeaths we intended to dish out

[–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

…And we’re totally not moving to suburbs because we’re racist.

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[–] Kualdir@feddit.nl 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

After I've moved I could technically do everything using public transport and bikes

The issue is that public transport is literally more expensive than a private car for me in the Netherlands (as I get a company car)

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Perhaps ask the company to reimburse you for the transit costs rather than providing the car? I'm sure they would love to save the money, and let you continue to save the money the car was saving you.

[–] Inktvip@lemm.ee 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Even with a privately owned car, driving somewhere is often still cheaper than public transport here. Including when factoring in maintenance. The only thing that might offset it when driving alone is parking costs.

Every time my wife and me want to visit a city I look at train tickets as it would be convenient to just get off the station in the city centre, only for me to realise that I’m way better off just driving there, and then use buses/metro to get around the city itself.

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[–] Kualdir@feddit.nl 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I have an OV pass to use public transport for work but I get to use my car privately for free (outside of extra taxes) and not the OV pass

[–] Almacca@aussie.zone 6 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

That just sounds like a policy revision away from being fixed. Have you asked?

[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah, "you get to keep the car, I get unlimited travel pass, deal?" People often seem to think policies are iron clad, but they're just decisions.

Might be hard because the car is a significant upfront investment. The sunk cost is another big reason people defend their cars.

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[–] WarlordSdocy@lemm.ee 9 points 3 weeks ago

The crazy thing as well is that especially after COVID people will use the isolation of cars as a positive. You have people who don't like transit cause they would have to be near other people. Which just shows how crazy isolated and disconnected from our communities we are in the US atleast.

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[–] slaacaa@lemmy.world 86 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

Just one more lane bro. I promise bro just one more lane and it'll fix everything bro. Bro, just one more lane. Please just one more, one more lane and we can fix this whole problem bro, bro c’mon just give me one more lane i promise bro, bro bro please! Just need one more lane

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 37 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Fact: 99% of city planners quit one lane before they fix traffic

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[–] xavier666@lemm.ee 9 points 3 weeks ago

Average lane-brainer argument

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[–] Photuris@lemmy.ml 60 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

France isn’t perfect or without its own problems (or fucking right-wingers), but damn overall they’re really crushing it lately.

(I wonder how hard it is to emigrate to France…)

[–] mEEGal@lemmy.world 26 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

It depends : are you white ?

[–] nightwatch_admin@feddit.nl 20 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] spiffpitt@lemmy.world 27 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

is that bread or masochism?

[–] grue@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Does that actually make it easy, or just less hard?

(Je l'envisage sérieusement, d'ailleurs.)

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[–] fenrasulfr@lemmy.world 49 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Although it is good that they added riding bicycle lanes I doubt that is the only reason for the lowering of pollution.

Not only do we have electric and hybrid cars, due to euro standard combustion engines have become a lot cleaner during the same span of time. Plus public transport has also become a lot better during that time.

[–] nuko147@lemm.ee 13 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah, car restriction is the key. Then you must plan for people who needs to move. Cars don't belong to the city, only for leisure trips outside.

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[–] Changer098@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

This graph is HIGHLY misleading as it doesn't include the time in 2019 when Notre Dame's pollution was much higher for a brief period of time.

[–] Isoprenoid@programming.dev 12 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

I was confused for a moment.

Click to see the reason why Notre Dame had much higher pollution for brief period of time in 2019.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notre-Dame_fire

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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 41 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It's good that you included the source because without a scale this meant fuck all.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 38 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Woah, woah, keep it down lads. There's Americans around who can't handle this kind of information!

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I’m an American who wants European style cities and public transport because it’s actually better for drivers, too.

Germany has zero speed limit on some highways because of this.

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[–] msfroh@lemmy.ca 24 points 3 weeks ago

They installed efficiency modules to reduce biter expansion?

[–] kwr112233@feddit.dk 23 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Redex68@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That sounds nice but oof 4% turnout.

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[–] comfy@lemmy.ml 19 points 3 weeks ago

Thanks for posting source, OP!

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 18 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 14 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

There's no legend. This is a worthless image

[–] huppakee@lemm.ee 39 points 3 weeks ago

I posted this somewhere in the comments already, but copy pasting it to be helpful:.

Op cut it out for some reason, but it is in the linked article. Here is a screenshot of the 'y-axis':

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Legend? This is an image of Paris transforming from an active volcano into a radioactive site.

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[–] firadin@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Keep seeing this picture but no control group. Give me the same data for a French city other than Paris to understand whether this is about local policy change or about emissions standards and the move to electric cars.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Googling tells me DEF (diesel exhaust fluid) was required in 2015 in Europe. Other posters have said this graphic is NO2, which is what DEF reduces.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 3 weeks ago

c'est magnifique.

[–] CannedYeet@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

This is the same thing as a graph where the y-axis doesn't start at zero.

[–] huppakee@lemm.ee 32 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Op cut it out for some reason, but it is in the linked article. Here is a screenshot of the 'y-axis':

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[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

How much of this was dieselgate and DEF fluid?

DEF: Googling say DEF was implemented in 2015 in Europe. Other posters have clarified the map shows NO2, which DEF reduces by "up to 90%"

Dieselgate: Also 2015. "On 29 September 2015, Volkswagen announced plans to refit up to 11 million affected vehicles, fitted with Volkswagen's EA 189 diesel engines". Affected cars emitted 40x the legal NOx levels. It also accelerated EV offerings. Also increased testing and scrutiny.

Yeah I'm leaning more towards this being dieselgate and DEF.

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