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Russia has moved to classify key demographic statistics following a dramatic collapse in its birth rate, which has plunged to levels not seen since the late 18th or early 19th century, according to a leading Russian demographer.

For decades, Russia has been experiencing a plunging birth rate and population decline, which appears to have worsened amid its ongoing invasion of Ukraine—with high casualty rates and men fleeing the country to avoid being conscripted to fight.

Projections estimate that Russia's population will fall to about 132 million in the next two decades. The United Nations has predicted that in a worst-case scenario, by the start of the next century, Russia's population could almost halve to 83 million.

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[–] KiESi@lemm.ee 32 points 3 days ago

Looks like death rates are up though.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 91 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

step 1: send your men to a pointless war
step 2: potential mothers realize their sons would only be meat in the meat grinder
step 3: nobody wants to have children anymore
step 4: be confused??

[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 42 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Don’t forget removing any relief for people having kids. And dissolve their quality of life. That always goes over so well in completely diminishing any chance of population growth. Just ask Kim jung un

[–] SoloCritical@lemm.ee 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

But if your child dies in a pointless war we can offer you a satchel of potatoes. Is good, yes?

[–] paperazzi@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

In at least one woman's case, Putin offered her an actual meat grinder. No joke.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 22 points 3 days ago

step1.5; men fleeing to other countries to avoid war.

[–] mrodri89@lemmy.zip 34 points 3 days ago (1 children)

My vaginas baking equipment would shrivel up too if Putin was my leader. Much like it's reaction to Americans leadership.

[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 7 points 2 days ago

My dick would also go quite limp since even having sex feels off with such bullshit on top.

[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 170 points 4 days ago (8 children)

It amuses me that world leaders pretend to be surprised by declining birth rates. They know perfectly well that it’s because of their and/or their neighbors policies. The environment is being poisoned, and possibly destroyed. People are reluctant to bring a child into this world, and I think they’re right to be.

[–] JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz 64 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

And even ones that want kids take one look at the economy and their bank accounts, and decide to wait until both look better, because they want to be able to afford the kids a happy childhood. The worst thing for population growth is giving people the ability to choose when, if ever, to get kids, and an environment they don't want to have them in.

Two ways to fix that issue. Which one is used tells a lot.

[–] match@pawb.social 32 points 3 days ago (9 children)

also, people don't got the space or the time to fuck

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[–] Wanderer@lemm.ee 2 points 2 days ago

Think its more high house prices and low wages. But the wealthy are more concerned with making money so immigration is at an all time high meaning house prices keep going up even when wages are kept below market value and training is non existent.

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[–] BlackSheep@lemmy.ca 72 points 3 days ago (6 children)

Seriously. If you are a woman, do you want to bring a child into this world?? Our climate is a disaster, and anyone who “could” do anything about it is doing everything they can to accumulate wealth at the expense of the planet. Fascism and misinformation is rampant. Geezus, people are telling Mothers that inoculations are bad. Think about that… polio vaccines that rescued generations of children from “iron lungs”, leg braces, and death. Those vaccines were developed from science. SCIENCE I’m an old lady now. If I was young and of child bearing years—I would not have children.

[–] Zealousideal_Fox_900@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 3 days ago (14 children)

As a dude, I wouldn't want to bring a kid into this shithole of a world either. Most of my generation doesn't, and I can see why.

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[–] Zenith@lemm.ee 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I’m a woman, with two kids, they’re not my biological children. I never wanted to have kids but other people are having kids and I figure why not love the kids already here? There’s plenty of kids to go around there’s no need for me to personally make a kid. If the kids are already here we should do as much as we can to make their lives good but if they’re not already here it should stay that way.

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[–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago

I promise you, the last thing on the minds of Russian women in this moment is climate change

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[–] BlackSheep@lemmy.ca 54 points 3 days ago (4 children)

It’s global. Who the fuck wants to procreate in a world that’s about run out of water??

[–] FlembleFabber@sh.itjust.works 12 points 3 days ago (19 children)

Could you elaborate on running out of water?

[–] Merva@sh.itjust.works 16 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Some parts of the globe is going to run out of water, some areas of the globe are about to get way too much of it. You know, climate change and all that.

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[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 111 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (22 children)

…Wow.

So what’s the tankie angle to this? From that perspective, the war is objectively awful for Russia, even if all the stated war goals are true.

[–] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 81 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The beloved and benevolent putin is merely protecting the country from the overpopulation seen in the west.

[–] warm@kbin.earth 28 points 4 days ago (3 children)

There's no overpopulation in the west. Fertility rates are too low to maintain the current population.

[–] CmdrShepard42@lemm.ee 77 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Well, they didn't say the angle had to be factual.

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[–] resipsaloquitur@lemm.ee 58 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

The tankie angle is that it’s NATO’s fault. Would never have happened if mean old west hadn’t invaded Ukraine and genocided Russian-speakers who are ethnically and linguistically identical to Ukrainians but also totally different and superior but also must be defended by daddy Vladdy.

And also Ukraine is an inseparable part of Russia, especially Crimea. Khrushchev was only kidding when he gave Crimea to Ukraine, which isn’t a real country.

And the west totally broke its verbal promise that no one’s ever heard to never allow another country into NATO. But The Budapest Memorandum wasn’t worth the paper it was written on. For some reason.

You just don’t understand Russian history. Russia has a very long memory. When it comes to grievances. Theirs.

You’re just russophobic.

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I don't think I've ever gotten one of them to even acknowledge the Budapest memorandum.

Though I do like to point out that they're the biggest western chauvinists ever if they genuinely think NATO somehow forced putin into emptying Russia's soviet stocks of vehicles and ammo in the most disastrous invasion in recent history.

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[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 46 points 4 days ago

So what’s the tankie angle to this?

“Sure this news is bad, but what about this non sequitur?”

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[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 78 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Kinda rough to have babies if most of your men are being turned into fertilizer.

[–] PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 25 points 3 days ago

Russian meat to sunflower oil pipeline

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[–] Cocopanda@futurology.today 34 points 3 days ago (5 children)

People who think Russia will last. Have no idea how bad drug abuse is in that country.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 21 points 3 days ago (1 children)

alcoholism is actually thier favorite pass time.

[–] Cocopanda@futurology.today 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

They’re so poor. They don’t even do heroin. They do crocodile.

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[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 15 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (5 children)

That's not unique to Russia. Birth rates in developed nations have been plummeting across the board. The only reason the US was escaping it and hanging out around replacement was because of immigration, and, well, I don't know if you've been keeping up with the news lately, but it seems like that's going to change.

There's lots of reasons driving demographic collapse, but I don't think war is one of them. South Korea is usually heralded as the shining example of demographic collapse because their birth rate is the worst by far, and it generally seems to be the case that as economies becomes more "advanced", women have less time and supports to focus on motherhood, and so just choose not to have kids. I put advanced in scare quotes because it seems to me that a truly advanced economy wouldn't footgun itself with rapid demographic collapse. Not to say that the trend shouldn't be towards a smaller population that will tax the Earth's resources less, but the way to get there safely for civilization isn't by falling off a cliff.

[–] brot@feddit.org 27 points 3 days ago

Other countries also have the problems with the birth rates, but Putin is accelerating that. Murdering and crippling his young men in a senseless war. Keeping millions of men in the army away from home, far away from their girlfriends. Pushing people to leave the country, if they can. The problem might be there without Putin, but the war is making it so much worse

[–] frezik@midwest.social 22 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Russia has a unique problem, and it is war. Just not the war in Ukraine by itself.

WWII was absolutely devastating to the Soviet Union's population. Tons of "excess females", which means there were so many men killed that women could not find a husband. The baby boom did not happen there; kinda the opposite. This affects both modern Russia and Ukraine.

Every 20 years or so, there is an "echo" of that loss in their population pyramid. It's a drop in ~~birth rates~~ new births from a relative lack of young adults starting families for part of the cycle. The echo reduces with each cycle, of course, but one of them is hitting right now. Putin is now amplifying that echo by having another war with such high losses.

Edit: clarified some wording.

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[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 9 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I have thought long and hard about having a kid. The only positives are some happy moments, my parents getting a grandbaby, and having someone to help make sure I don't get taken advantage of when I'm old (I believe it is my financial responsibility to plan for myself but I know my brain may decline). Then I think of the negatives. The money, the loss of sleep, the loss of autonomy, the loss of time, it's just all so so much. My life would get substantially worse.

Then I think about adopting someone older than a baby, and it's an interesting idea, I don't feel a need to spread my genes, but it's the same thing. Then I think maybe adopt a teenager, it's not as long of a commitment. But by this point it's such a nasty equation of tradeoffs and I never want a child to be thought of that way. Plus, I really don't think I have the heart or patience for adopting an older child.

So the only real thing I feel like I'm missing is having someone to make sure I'm not a victim of elder abuse. I'll just try to keep getting you get friends and keep them close. I'm 33. My youngest close-ish friend is about 22. If I keep making young people my friends then hopefully if I'm in the nightmare scenario of mental decline and my spouse has passed that one of them can check up on me when we're both old. That seems less shitty than adopting a child for that reason.

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[–] drhodl@lemmy.world 31 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Even russian women don't like russians.

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[–] ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org 32 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

It's the Russian resistance's long game: in 10 years, there won't be enough young people left to send to die at the front, so the war will naturally peter out.

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[–] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 21 points 3 days ago

No one wants their children to grow up in a corrupt Oligarchy.

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago (4 children)

If AI and robots will take over so many jobs, why is a declining birthrate a bad thing, in the long term?

[–] GenosseFlosse@feddit.org 19 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Because current society is built on the assumption that around 4 workers will support 1 person with social benefits like retirement money, healtcare or unemployment benefits. Robots are already used in many factories but don't pay any of those. The robots will produce goods cheaper than humans, however corporations will own the robots, and still charge you the same price for the goods while receiving a larger margin.

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[–] rammer@sopuli.xyz 12 points 3 days ago (9 children)

Population will fall to about 132 million in the next two decades

Which means that it already is that low. If you don't count the parts of Ukraine that Russia thinks it owns and the hundreds of thousands of young people who fled the country earlier in the war.

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[–] CatGPT@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

No one wants to live in putins world

Shit i mean meow

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