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After much lurking, it's been brought to my attention that the Fediverse has gained a reputation for banning individuals who express support for Elon Musk’s rhetoric or who are affiliated with groups like KF. I speak from personal experience, having witnessed a particular individual (though I won’t name names, but I’m sure you can guess who) being banned from multiple instances simply because she was a KF user. She was diligent in adhering to each instance’s rules, ensuring that her actions were in strict compliance with the guidelines. This wasn’t a case of coincidence or an isolated incident, she took great care to follow the rules. Yet, despite her efforts, she was banned multiple times.

This leads to the question. Are there unwritten, unspoken rules within the Fediverse about aligning with certain groups or individuals, such as the one I just referenced? If so, I find myself quite curious about what specific protocol the average person is supposed to follow in order to avoid inadvertently crossing into these invisible boundaries. How can one navigate the Fediverse in a way that doesn’t unintentionally breach these seemingly arbitrary restrictions? Is there a set of guidelines that users can follow, or are we all just left to guess what is considered acceptable by the unseen and potentially very biased powers that govern these communities? This is an intriguing issue, since it's one that seems to raise far more questions than it answers.

From my perspective, this situation seems to fit squarely within the realm of the logical fallacy known as “guilt by association.” The idea here is that because someone is connected to a certain group, they must share all the views and behaviors associated with that group. However, this kind of reasoning is, at best, deeply flawed. The group in question wasn’t created with the intent to promote hate speech, doxing, or any other harmful activity. In fact, it was founded with the purpose of defending free speech, a value that, unfortunately, many other platforms fail to fully embrace. The group’s mission was to create a space where open dialogue and expression could flourish without the kind of censorship or suppression often found on other platforms. It clearly states, right from the outset that it is not responsible for the actions of its members, and frankly, it shouldn’t be.

And yet, it’s important to note that other platforms, such as Discord, have been associated with perpetrators of mass violence, most notably in the case of the Highland Park shooting suspect and yet this connection seems to be largely overlooked. For some reason, I don’t see users of Discord being immediately banned or suspended simply because their accounts were linked to a server where someone with violent intentions was active. So why is there this stark contrast in enforcement? Why do some platforms face intense scrutiny and swift action, while others are seemingly given a free pass, despite their connection to far more serious issues?

This leads me to wonder. Why the double standard? Why does it seem that individuals associated with one platform are swiftly punished for their affiliations, while those linked to other platforms seem to avoid any real consequences? These are the questions I feel deserve some serious consideration. Reaching out as a concerned lemming.

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 13 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (2 children)

The paradox of tolerance is a philosophical concept suggesting that if a society extends tolerance to those who are intolerant, it risks enabling the eventual dominance of intolerance; thereby undermining the very principle of tolerance.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

The first time I punched a Nazi was outside of an under 18 punk show.

Him and his buddy were overly nice, offering drugs/booze in the parking lot. A few minutes after approaching my group tho, one said "check this out" and showed me a fucking swastika tattoo.

Didn't even think, quick jab to the nose without even really putting anything behind it.

It was instinct.

Doesn't matter if someone is acting polite and following the rules to ingratiate into a group, when they show you that they're not just intolerant but openly support violent groups, you have to show them that they're not welcome.

Otherwise they'll slowly take over the group.

On the internet you don't have to punch a fascist in the face to convince them they're not welcome, you can just ban them.

Then when they make a brand new account, you can them again.

[–] FistingEnthusiast@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Your reaction is completely understandable

Hats off to this troll for their effort though. They're definitely amusing

[–] AhoyMateys@lemmy.cafe -2 points 10 hours ago

It’s probably a good thing that, to the best of my knowledge, I don’t fit most definitions of a troll, now, isn't it?

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 7 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Something I have learned from Anarchists is how reactionaries take over political and non-political spaces. A few arrive and they adhere to all the rules but push bounderies where they can to see whats acceptable. Eventually it reaches a point where that space has a discussion publicly by users or privately by mods on what to do about this person or group. They aren't technically breaking any rules so it feels wrong to remove them but they have upset enough people to get to this point that it feels SOMETHING must be done. If this user gets banned at most the space gets some wreckers and trolls that are annoying but the precedent has been set so they will get removed too. However if this person is not banned it means that space is recognized as safe for people like them. Others follow and the space becomes hostile to some of its original userbase until it becames a reactionary cesspit. It doesn't always end up there, but it is better not to tolerate intolerance when it is easy to spot.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 3 points 13 hours ago

It's much older than the internet...

Normally it's done over weeks/months, but A Bronx Tale sped up the process for a five minute part of the movie:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLji-iHgEb0

It's exploiting "sunk cost fallacy" you avoid small indiscretions and count on basic human decency, but by the time the offensive group feels they have control, they take the mask off.

Then you have to deal with them, or let them have the place and hope they don't completely destroy it.

[–] Zagam@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 13 hours ago

I don't know what kiwi farm is but free speech is not an inherent right you have. No one that runs or owns anything owes you that. Right to expression is a government thing. If you came to my house and said anything I didn't like, I have zero obligation to let you continue. In fact I could kick you out for saying things I did like. And I could choose to not have someone else leave for saying the same thing.

The good news is that you can start your own federation and allow/disallow whatever you choose.