I can't handle getting addicted to Nethack again at this point in time
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It’s still great. Like old school Civilization, or even older Zork
I did a lot of stuff in the first Zork (kill the troll, solve the maze, open the gates of hell, etc), but I never quite figured out how I was supposed to win.
They had to start putting graphics in their games before I could beat them.
You release the bird from the cage to kill the troll, or maybe I'm thinking Adventure
The troll you can kill with the sword that glows in its presence, if I'm remembering my Zork correctly. I think it regenerates though, so maybe you have to cut the head off, and then it vanishes in a puff of vile smoke, or something like that.
The smirking sneak thief can be dispatched the same way, although I think you can also use the axe you get after killing the troll. I think it wasn't a sure thing though, like you can give the "stab thief with sword" command a few times and sometimes you win and other times you die.
Although you should give the egg to the thief (he can open it and you can't) and then kill him and retrieve it from his dead body later, otherwise you can't win the game. Obviously.
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Obviously these things are not mutually exclusive. Be a REAL gamer and demand both quality in gameplay and narrative, WITH excellent graphics. You don't have to settle for less.
Just don't understand people looking at screenshots and gameplay videos and commenting on how the shadows on some background detail look slightly better with the FSSMGXTR scaling setting turned to BBXT5 instead of HAMndX3.
And then they complain that their framerate is too low, causing flickering or lag apparently but it causes blurring instead which they do with motion blur effect already. 🤪
It's the same mindset as people who overclock or tune their cars
All of this is lost on me. Out of ancient habit, I keep my video streams throttled to 360p to 'save bandwidth' even though that hasn't been a necessity for me for a decade or so.
1080p60fps gives me motion sickness. I have no idea what 4k120fps would do to me, not that I have a capable monitor.
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I want fidelity, crisp frames, with a cool art style, not some jank and blurry attempt at "realism". Ban TAA, ban ML upscaling, ban frame generation. Ban AAA.
(All the best games are indie games)
Why the hate against TAA?
It's completely shit, it's like covering your monitor in vaseline. All games with deferred rendering should use SMAA.
TAA can be fine when implemented well. Temporal information can be very useful for adding more detail over multiple frames that couldn't be obtained without doing more samples every frame.
However, when done poorly it makes things blurry as you move the camera. The information needs to be correctly adjusted for camera movements or it smears all over the screen. It's also made worse with things like rain drop effects and things like that.
TAA is useful. It's just too many games just enable it and it without knowing how to use it well and it just degrades the image.
Do you have an example of a game using TAA correctly? Because so far, all the games I've played with TAA on are blurry.
Not necessarily, no. I watched this interview with one of the Squad devs recently, and he did a really good explanation of it though, if you want to hear it.
It'll never be perfect, but it can help, especially in slower paced games, or games where most of what you see is very far away (so it moves slowly on screen).
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Does ASCII art count? Dwarf Fortress, MUDs, etc. are great fun.
If we consider a game as a cake, I think of the graphics as its frostings. Sure, it could make the game look very good, but won't do shit if the base of the cake is crap.
i'd consider realistic graphics as fondant, sure you can create amazing visuals with it... but that thing is barely edible. give me some buttercream (stylised graphics) instead
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As Alton Brown said, "Cake is only the delivery system for frosting."
The frosting might give my system constipation though.
Are dcss tiles banned? I don’t want to play it ascii
Yeah, I think it's interesting to play it in ASCII. It makes you actually read the text logs and use your imagination, which feels more like a book. But it also makes it harder to actually know what's going on, so I really don't know about it being more fun...
funnily enough I always found the tiles to be harder to read. For me ASCII is clearer on what the enemy is and how dangerous it is. Always been a huge ASCII fan so maybe that colors my opinion.
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Abandon widespread* texture use, return to polygons+vertex colors+in-engine cutscenes (and similar data-saving techniques like soundfonts).
my examples (2D: created with Godot, 3D: created with Blender)
spoiler Animated eye
This was using a feature that likely isn't viable (for common use) due to performance.
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And for something not-by-me, see Spyro's vertex color skyboxes.
* general normal maps are ok, but I didn't have much luck beyond using generated noise for metal. I even tried some stuff with watercolor, maybe with better shaders it could work but untextured is easier.
Or another example, any material you can just apply without alteration (for instance, make something look like wood) is alright too. Maybe UV mapping is not too bad, but extra per-model work is not ideal.
I love Spyro to bits but that game/camera style makes me motion sick something fierce. Can we get a compromise?
Look at how some of my examples are 2D, motion style is not really core to my point. Many variants of fixed-camera, top-down, sidescroller, even static/semi-static art are possible.
I mean I guess if you make a cool skybox like that you'll want players to be able to look at it somewhat freely. Is it specific to flying/camera speed or any 3rd-person game? 1st-person? Can settings help, or is this something that would not work with faster-paced games?
I do see that less motion seems to help, one person said higher FOV+big display with distance (among other non-digital things)... though I don't think I've ever had motion sickness from a game (though I think I do have some issue related to inner ear) so I can't be sure.
I know personally if I'm able to make anything, it'll probably be on the smoother/simpler side. For example, I made a simple character controller and adding view bob never entered my mind. Probably no filters either.