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[–] wwb4itcgas@lemm.ee 26 points 6 days ago

"The kind with trigger discipline..."

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 25 points 6 days ago (1 children)
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[–] paranoia@feddit.dk 17 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (10 children)

Idk. The kind where I believe that every adult over 18 should be given 80m2 by the government. Apartment, office space, storage space, workshop, lab, whatever.

I believe that you shouldn't need to worry about a place to live at the bare minimum, and I believe that not having space for people to use and experiment with is one of the main hindrances of economic development (development, not "growth")

[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It took me too long to figure out that you're the ubi-style left, and not the pew-pew style and I didn't know what type of gun an 80M2 was. 80M^2 or 80 square meters is super different from what I was picturing.

We can mix it, every family gets a rifle and plot of land.

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[–] obvs@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago

You know those means of production?

Well I have an idea...

[–] 13igTyme@lemmy.world 16 points 6 days ago (5 children)

What kind am I?

Not a neo liberal or a Tankie.

I'm in-between. I'm caring enough to not agree with Conservatives and want a change to the status quo. I'm educated enough to know how the world actually works and that things can't be free and other people won't do stuff for free. Capitalism has its place, but needs to be highly regulated.

[–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 17 points 6 days ago (5 children)

You can be anti-capitalist without being a "tankie." It seems like your position is driven by your aversion to those you perceive as being to your right and to your left rather than on a consistent ideological framework.

I'm educated enough to know how the world actually works and that things can't be free and other people won't do stuff for free.

This is capitalist realism. Your education has not made you smart enough to see that capitalism is reality, it has made you so set in your constrained worldview that you've become incapable of imagining anything outside of the framework of capitalism. For the majority of time that humans have existed on earth they have organized themselves in a myriad of different ways without the need for private property and exploitation of others. I recommend reading some anthropology, I personally prefer David Graeber.

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[–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

The “socialists expect people to do stuff for free” trope only exists in capitalist strawman rhetoric.

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[–] droans@midwest.social 9 points 6 days ago

Even Adam Smith was pretty clear what happens when capitalism is unregulated:

We rarely hear, it has been said, of the combinations of masters, though frequently of those of workmen. But whoever imagines, upon this account, that masters rarely combine, is as ignorant of the world as of the subject. Masters are always and everywhere in a sort of tacit, but constant and uniform combination, not to raise the wages of labour above their actual rate. To violate this combination is everywhere a most unpopular action, and a sort of reproach to a master among his neighbours and equals. We seldom, indeed, hear of this combination, because it is the usual, and one may say, the natural state of things, which nobody ever hears of...

The liberal reward of labour, therefore, as it is the necessary effect, so it is the natural symptom of increasing national wealth. The scanty maintenance of the labouring poor, on the other hand, is the natural symptom that things are at a stand, and their starving condition that they are going fast backwards.

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[–] underline960@sh.itjust.works 12 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I wish there was a test.

Not a bullshit CosmoBuzzfeed quiz, but an actual "if you answered A on these three questions, you tend towards MarxoCapitalist. Here's a community full of people who mostly agree with you about political stuff."

We'd still have Home and Local and All, but it'd be nice to know who my people are instead of needing a college degree to navigate the bullshit everyone says about everyone else.

I don't think anyone knows what socialism is.

[–] Zenith@lemm.ee 6 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I’m glad there isn’t, sounds divisive

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[–] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 7 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I'm a noob leftist. Maybe a reformed (reforming?) liberal. I am anticapitalist.

I don't think a 19th century European necessarily devised the perfect economic system. Maybe we don't have to be obliged to label ourselves by which 19th century European we agree with the most. There are a lot of people smarter than me who know more than me who disagree with each other, I don't know if we can move society in my lifetime enough that the difference between anarchism and communism will make a huge public policy difference. I'm more concerned with stopping fascism and working for universal healthcare.

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[–] Markovchain@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

https://youtu.be/LWkSB-D-hYo

"You leftists sure are a contentious people"

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[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

flexible on range of solutions for dealing with the billionaire problem

[–] Killercat103@slrpnk.net 5 points 6 days ago (14 children)

A libertarian myself thanks for asking.

[–] Makhno@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Someone who doesn't want to pay taxes or follow age of consent laws all while co-opting an anarchist term for themselves?

[–] itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 6 days ago

Not everyone has US brain rot, in most of Europe "libertarian" still means "anarchist"

[–] Killercat103@slrpnk.net 4 points 6 days ago

Nah as using it with some respect to its orgins of being coined by Joseph Déjaque as a synonym to anarchism as it was illegal at the time. Personally use it as an umbrella term for anti-authoritarian socialist thought. Not whatever "Libertarians" do in the USA.

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[–] Wazowski@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Nah bruv, this is bullshit. I'm straight up a centrist. It's just that anyone who isn't goose-stepping fascist swine is "leftist" these days. Shit has just moved so far right, it's fucking insane. Back in the day, repubs would agree with me about minding your own fucking business and let people live the way they fucking want. They'd agree with me that you need to pay for shit, instead of just charging it to your kids. Which also means you need to prioritize shit, and it better nothing be for fucking moneybags over there. Bring back fucking Eisenhower-era taxes, FFS. Those cunts used to believe in free speech and freedom FROM religion. There used to be some common ground. These days? Fuckem. They can all choke to death.

[–] Afflictedlife@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 days ago (3 children)

As far as I can tell I'm an anarchist collectivist. But I don't really read much theory (because of a memory retention disorder) or try very hard to categorize myself.

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