With lemmy.film down, where should we host the new movies community? (discuss.tchncs.de)

submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de to c/fediverse@lemmy.ml

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Hello everyone,

For people interested in movies, you may have noticed that !moviesandtv@lemmy.film is now gone, unfortunately.

The community was quite active, especially with the movies discussion threads, it would be nice to create a new one elsewhere.

As Lemmyworld and lemmy.ml already have most of the active communities, I thought it would be interesting to have this one (maybe two, one for movies, one for TV) on lemm.ee ? In a similar way that !games@sh.itjust.works is a popular community on sh.itjust.works (thanks @nanoUFO@sh.itjust.works for posting there)

What do you think?

Tagging the active contributors to the previous community @realcaseyrollins@narwhal.city @ClarkZuckerberg@lemmy.world @simple@lemm.ee @ZeroCool@feddit.ch

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[-] Clodsire@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 year ago

i think its better to start with a join movies&tv comm, you probably want to grow it fast and managing two new comms may get to confusing/tiring for the mods, plus it will be the mods the main posters there until it gets big enough

since its a general comm, it a good idea to have it on an instance that its federated to most big intances so lemme and lemmy.ml are good choices, with lemee being a bit better because of lax moderation and i think making comms there is easier

[-] Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 year ago

i think its better to start with a join movies&tv comm, you probably want to grow it fast and managing two new comms may get to confusing/tiring for the mods, plus it will be the mods the main posters there until it gets big enough

Interesting, you have a point! I guess we could start with a common community, but named "movies@lemm.ee" and allowing both movies and tv content.

Having it names like this makes it future proof for when we'll probably eventually split and have television@lemm.ee. If we go with "moviesandtv@lemm.ee", when we'll reach the point where we need to split, that might make things confusing.

it a good idea to have it on an instance that its federated to most big intances so lemme and lemmy.ml are good choices, with lemee being a bit better because of lax moderation and i think making comms there is easier

Definitely agree

[-] Clodsire@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Interesting, you have a point! I guess we could start with a common community, but named “movies@lemm.ee” and allowing both movies and tv content.

its a good idea to be ready, i think admins can change the name of comms, also you should probably claim the TV comm name even if you arent going to use it at the start just to make sure.

[-] Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago

you should probably claim the TV comm name even if you arent going to use it at the start just to make sure.

Good point, thanks!

[-] HKayn@dormi.zone 2 points 1 year ago

But please only claim it if you really have short-term plans for it. Subreddit squatting has been a persistent problem on Reddit, and I wouldn't want this to be repeated in the Lemmyverse.

[-] Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago

Definitely! That's why I wanted another mod with me as well (see comments below). Sub squatting is a plague indeed.

[-] ZeroCool@feddit.ch 16 points 1 year ago

Oh damn, did lemmy.film shut down? That's a major bummer. I really liked the Movies and TV community.

As Lemmyworld and lemmy.ml already have most of the active communities, I thought it would be interesting to have this one (maybe two, one for movies, one for TV) on lemm.ee ?

That's exactly why I chose to post articles in moviesandtv@lemmy.film over the movies/tv communities on lemmy.world. I try to support communities in smaller instances by posting relevant content but I guess this is just an inherent risk of lemmy.

[-] Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago

Would you like to become a mod with me? I don't expect that much work, movies are usually not a very controversial topic

[-] ZeroCool@feddit.ch 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah, sure. I'd be happy to help out.

I think Lemm.ee would be a fine alternative but infosec.pub may be worth considering too. The owner/admin runs multiple instances across the range of fediverse services (including the popular infosec.exchange mastodon server) so I think the risk of it abruptly shutting down is extremely low.

https://wiki.infosec.exchange/faq/fediverse/other_infosec_fediverse_instances

[-] Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago

Great!

Yes, Jerry is doing a great job with his services. The only issue I see is that with the "infosec" in the name, the domain might be blocked by company firewalls as they would tag it under "hacking". I know they run a mbin instance, Fedia.io, but I would rather go with Lemmy as Kbin/Lemmy compatibility can be finicky.

What do you think?

[-] ZeroCool@feddit.ch 0 points 1 year ago

I hadn't considered that but if you think that's a realistic possibility then I wouldn't have an issue resettling on lemm.ee. Either option would be fine. I mostly suggested .pub because I know the infosec family of instances are well run and dependable.

[-] Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago

I'm pretty sure I had that issue at some point when I wanted to check a community on infosec.pub and then got that kind of block.

Alright, I just noticed the community already exists, here it is !movies@lemm.ee.

I requested it in !meta@lemm.ee

[-] maegul@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Subscribed!

[-] Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 year ago

Tagging @maegul@lemmy.ml and @yessikg@lemmy.blahaj.zone as they seemed interested

[-] maegul@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Thanks for the tag. Yea like you and others here all I would have suggested is lemm.ee. Seems a good fit for spreading the community load while also going for a good and well run instance.

[-] yessikg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 year ago

There's an instance out there that has a ton of tv show communities, we could ask them to create a movie one, if only I could remember the name of the instance

[-] Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago

https://adultswim.fan/ ? Or another one?

[-] yessikg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago

Another one, I'll try to find it today

[-] ticoombs@reddthat.com 5 points 1 year ago

We (reddthat) would welcome your community. 😉

[-] Deebster@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

reddthat is a great instance, and I'm glad to see that it's not just a single-admin setup. If you vanished (I hope not!), does the team have the access, knowledge, finance and motivation to continue?

[-] Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago

It's good to see you around, you guys are doing a great job over there! I guess we'll probably go with lemm.ee just to have more users able to access the community from their local feed, but thanks for offering!

Is anything good on your side, funding-wise?

[-] ticoombs@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago

No worries! I hope the community comes back around!

Yeah funding is good. Completely community funded :) Ours is on open collective if you want to see it 😉 (we are completely transparent)

[-] fisco@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

When you say its gone down, are you assuming the instance has been pulled?...or just experiencing difficulties?

[-] Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago

Have a look at my post on !fediverse@lemmy.world , this instance (as well as a few others) went down recently

[-] fisco@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Ohhh thanks, that's quite a few, hoping lemmy.film comes back, as cafe seems to have 🤞🏻

[-] Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago

Let's hope, but it's been a few days, I fear the worst...

[-] fisco@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

I see the latest posts being 2 days ago, so maybe there's still some hope of the instance returning 🤷🏻‍♂️

[-] Send_me_nude_girls@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago

Sadly this once again shows that Lemmy is too fragile. The content is now gone, forever. This is not good and I want to see a feature that we can preserve content. What if a big instance disappears for some unfortunate circumstance? Like the whole instance owner team died in a plane accident and suddenly you have thousands of posts and content disappear. Lemmy isn't build by a huge company that will have decentralized solutions, backups and emergency access.

[-] Deebster@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago

You're 100% right, I think we do a lot more to stop content rotting like this. Now it's half gone, with any contributions from other instances unable to federate, fracturing any more conversation.

Maybe we need to do two things:

ensure that popular instances aren't single-admin shows (so there needs to be a team with the skills, finances and motivation to run if one or more disappear, or at least the credentials in escrow so someone can step in)
have some system to backup/migrate content

The migration one is tricky, because ActivityPub is very tied to urls. I guess that you could make dummy account for the conversation you brought over, so you'd at least have a read-only record.