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Leading energy companies are intent on pushing the world in the opposite direction, expanding fossil fuel production and insisting that there is no alternative. It is evidence that they are motivated not by record warming, but by record profits, experts say.

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[-] Opafi@feddit.de 97 points 1 year ago

expanding fossil fuel production and insisting that there is no alternative.

No alternative? No fucking alternative? Like... We're talking about extinction level scenarios and they're like "yeah, okay, we're all going to die, but I don't think your suggested alternatives to that are viable"

Like, don't they see that their profits ultimately depend on humanity existing to consume their products? What the fuck is wrong with them? Who do they think will bail them out when the planet is too fucking hot to live on?

[-] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 55 points 1 year ago

They hope or think they will be dead long before that happens and fuck future generations they are sociopaths.

[-] flybynightpotato@kbin.social 41 points 1 year ago

Companies like Exxon literally buy up green technology that could have huge, net-positive, impacts in the climate resiliency sphere/in combating climate change because they don't want the competition. The sheer audacity of this bald-faced fucking lie. What is the point of money on a dead planet, morons?

[-] Indie@lemmy.fmhy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

Why are these greener companies selling to them?

[-] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago
[-] Indie@lemmy.fmhy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

Well, no shit. Hadn't thought of that.

Imagine spending all the time and effort just to be bought out by a big terrible monster they have all been claiming were bad. Enjoy the clams.

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[-] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

Why are these greener companies selling to them?

Often because they don't have the capital to roll out their technology and need to go to the market for investment.

But then the investment market fucks them.

[-] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

Like, don’t they see that their profits ultimately depend on humanity existing to consume their products?

Well, that's a problem for the next quarter. Right now we have to push those sales.

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[-] 99nights@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Profits now think later. Duh

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[-] MedicPigBabySaver@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 year ago

Rich don't give a rats ass about any plebs. They know humanity is doomed. They will live their "best" life possible in resorts or on yachts, etc....until end of times.

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[-] BubblyMango@lemmy.wtf 6 points 1 year ago

If all of the oil companies comply, all is gonna be well. If only one of them doesnt, things are gonna end up well as well. If only two dont, its probably still gonna be good. If three.....

They just all wanna be that "one company that doesnt comply", so they all dont comply.

There is a known experiment about 100 students being given a choice before a test - choose A and you gain 2 extra points. Choose B and you gain 6 extra points. However, if more than 30% of the students choose B, no one gains anything. From what i checked, in every iteration of this experiment, no one gained anything in the end. Thats just human nature.

[-] Sharkwellington@lemmy.one 3 points 1 year ago

Similarly, the Prisoner's Dilemma.

[-] Ultraviolet@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I'd go so far as to say if the alternative is extinction, absolutely no action, no matter how drastic and no matter the collateral damage, is unjustified as long as it works.

[-] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah, but I think I'd literally die if I were forced to, ugh!, walk to the nearest fast food restaurant. (That's, like, a mile!) How would I order from the drive-thru without a car, huh? Besides, I need the AC because it's so hot out.

(/s, of course)

[-] magnetosphere@kbin.social 81 points 1 year ago

Remember, folks, it’s only “socialism” when we talk about sharing profits among the people. Sharing blame and responsibility is perfectly okay!

[-] 99nights@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Man you couldn't of said it any better.

[-] sudo@lemmy.fmhy.ml 14 points 1 year ago
[-] 99nights@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Yes could've. You got me.

[-] assassinatedbyCIA@lemmy.world 57 points 1 year ago
[-] Cynicivity@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

I’m surprised it took this long

[-] ICastFist@programming.dev 43 points 1 year ago

“They (Oil companies) have left no doubt that their pledges were deployed for cynical political purposes, only to be ditched when they no longer suited the industry’s strategic position,”

That strategic position was to avoid being governed, said Timmons Roberts, professor of environment and sociology at Brown University.

“The climate commitments … were almost certainly made to give the impression that they don’t need to be regulated because their voluntary pledges are adequate,”

You know, I'm kinda tired of every article about oil companies being either something straight out of police reports or just being the same "No shit, Sherlock" about them being evil, lying, manipulative and greedy assholes. I'd love to see them being fined some 50 billion dollars, but I feel they'd manage to overturn that anyway. Justice and police exist to protect property.

[-] toasteecup@lemmynsfw.com 16 points 1 year ago

justice and police exist to protect the rich

Ftfy

[-] Feirdro@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

media, justice and police exist to protect the rich

FTFTFY

[-] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

If they were fined for fifty billions, they'd argue until they settled for two hundred millions and it would be hailed as a leap forward for justice. :-/

[-] kicksystem@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

The problem with fining industry is that industry isn't sentient. It's the C-levels and management types that need to be seriously punished for pursuing profits over human lives. As long as we don't do that, nothing is going to change. If you fine Shell 50 billion dollars, nothing substantial changes for the higher ups. Even if these guys would stop making money all together, it would just mean they would have to stop spending so much god damned money and just live of of the millions they've already made.

[-] figaro@lemdro.id 39 points 1 year ago

I love the movie V for Vendetta.

Just throwing that out there.

[-] Kosta554@feddit.nl 32 points 1 year ago

Who could’ve seen this coming! /s

[-] positiveWHAT@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

I wonder if they will see me coming.

[-] ICastFist@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago

Do you come often?

[-] ringwraithfish@kbin.social 28 points 1 year ago
[-] ZooGuru@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Gooood movie.

[-] plain_and_simply@feddit.uk 15 points 1 year ago

We knew and yet it's still so infuriating

[-] VisualCicada@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago
[-] Kalkaline@lemmy.one 9 points 1 year ago

Warmer climate, more AC, more need for natural gas and petroleum product powered energy production.

[-] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

They'll never do anything good as long as they still make money. That's what needs to change.

[-] irkli@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Well sure! Green marketing is expensive! We have oil products to sell. Green costs. Easy decision.

/S

[-] Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Capitalism will surely save us though.

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