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[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 2 points 14 hours ago

This is satire, right? Right?

[–] desertdruid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Don't assassinate them, dilemma resolved!

[–] HonoraryMancunian@lemmy.world 127 points 2 days ago (1 children)

In a sane world, Israel would have every right to protect itself from humanitarian aid ships that were bound for another country.

Top kek

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 43 points 1 day ago

"Israeli intelligence shows the so-called "Freedom Flotilla" is planning to arm Palestinians with food"

[–] termaxima@programming.dev 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I will be very surprised if either of them survives.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmings.world 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

She's essentially on that ship as a human shield, and we've seen plenty of evidence of how much Israel respects human shields.

[–] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

High profile human shields tho? That's an altogether different game unfortunately. That's gonna go places where the story otherwise wouldn't. Gonna get in front of eyes that wouldn't otherwise care. As awful as that is.

[–] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 130 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Didn’t realize Liam Cunningham was going too—wasn’t his Game of Thrones character called the “Onion Knight” for smuggling food to starving civilians during a siege?

[–] troglodyte_mignon@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

Yep; it made me smile when I realised. :-) It’s probably the only time something Gaza-related made me smile...

[–] ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 58 points 2 days ago

Yup, that's him.

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 103 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (8 children)

This is exactly why she's on the ship. She's known world wide.

Also, thanks to one of the comments in that article, here's a link to track the ship:
https://freedomflotilla.org/ffc-tracker/

[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Is that tracker even real. I commented 9 hours ago yet that tracker in the same spot? Also was going sign petition but no fucking way giving them my physical address. That great way to have government come pounding down my door.

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah it's been moving. It's just moving slow. The marker has definitely progressed since i made the comment with the link in it.

[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Woah whatd up with that course change?

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 6 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

Great catch!
They intercepted a downed boat.

At approximately 07:36 EEST, the Madleen, en route to Gaza, received a mayday relay from a Frontex drone operating in the Central Mediterranean Sea. The crew responded via VHF radio after which the drone provided an updated position for the distressed vessel. Madleen immediately contacted Greek and Egyptian authorities. However, both confirmed they were too far away to respond and advised the Madleen to intervene if possible.

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As the vessel drew closer and sounded an alarm, crew members on the Madleen identified it as a Libyan Coast Guard vessel—the Tareq Bin Zayed, known for grave human rights violations and involvement in previous unlawful pullbacks of asylum seekers. Concern mounted that they would forcibly return the refugees to Libya, in violation of international law. The Madleen‘s crew warned them not to do so, but the Libyan authorities did not respond.

To avoid being taken by the Libyan authorities, four people jumped into the sea and began desperately swimming towards the Madleen. The crew then issued a mayday for itself, calling for urgent assistance, but other vessels remained too far away. The Madleen’s crew rescued the four from the water.

More info:
https://freedomflotilla.org/2025/06/05/madleen-responds-to-mayday-for-refugees-at-sea/

Legendary

[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Okay glad they were there to help. Hope its not a trap. Yes I check this every few hours, so scared for them and hope they make it safe.

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I'm glad you check it. And I feel the same.

[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago

Read article and sad how the world is treating people. I also wonder if this was setup to keep them away from Gaza?

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[–] cabbage@piefed.social 56 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

I wonder how many civilians in Gaza Israel would have to murder in order to gain the same amount of press as they would receive for killing two famous white people.

I suspect there were never enough people there to solve this equation.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

You're assuming people will care about that either.

Within minutes you'll be hearing about the "secret anti-semitic DMs of hateful Greta" from the likes of the Daily Mail.

[–] cabbage@piefed.social 6 points 1 day ago

Oh, I have no doubt the Daily Mail wanted Thunberg dead long before she spoke out against Israel.

The part that bothers me is how many people ignore and are trying to iron clad state that antisemetism is anti Jewish. Semites include Arabs as a well. Basically if you are looking down/hating on a group for their beliefs or languages, you probably fall into antisemetism. Thus if their logic that anti Israel is antisemetic, then anti the people from Gaza would also be antisemetic. Attacking Iraq, or Afghanistan who's official religions are Islam - anti semetic. Attacking Spain, we can call it antisemetism because I believe Catholicism is the official religion, and you guessed it. Christians fall under Semitic usually, because Jesus happens to stem from the middle east..

[–] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Ah see you've fallen into one of their many thought traps - because the calculation is made impossible by them repeatedly claiming 'there are no civilians in Gaza'. 12 year old boy playing soccer? Hamas terrorist. 8 year old girl in line outside a store? Hamas terrorist. Newborn baby? Somehow also Hamas terrorist.

The Israeli admin won't stop the genocide. Not until they have some massive political upheaval, remove existing power brokers and prosecute all the war criminals. That will take decades, if there's even an appetite for it at all amongst the Israeli populace.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago

old BENNY is trying to stay out of prison, hence the distraction by aggressive wars.

[–] cabbage@piefed.social 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I don't know many israelis, but the ones I do know are on the streets protesting all the time now. Accounts differ, but there are many signs that Netanyahu is not particularly popular even at home these days.

What is pretty unique about Israel's genocide is that it is strangely democratic in nature. Sure, Israeli democracy is hardly a democracy at all, but it plays by democratic rules for the part of the population who are considered full citizen. And within this democratic system Netanyahu and his crooks have painted themselves into a corner, where they need to appease the most extremist extreme right terrorists they have chosen as coalition partners. Because the second they stop the government will fall and they will almost certainly be prosecuted for crimes against humanity.

So the combination of the existence of these crimes and the democracy-like institutions in Israel are actually forcing Netanyahu to double down on genocide. It's pretty crazy.

In the third Reich, the first thing the NSDAP did was to abolish democratic institutions. Israel's genocide is very different - dynamics of democratic government are actively fueling the fire of their holocaust. It's the first ever democratic genocide. When the dust settles, I think this is going to give us a lot to think about.

[–] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Interesting perspectives. As you say though Israel is a very flawed democracy. Palestinians (in Palestine) live within the geographical land borders of Israel, which are policed and managed by Israel, and find themselves in an apartheid system. Eg: if you're one of the ~3mil Palestinians living in the West Bank, you have no citizenship and no vote, whereas if you are one of the ~500k Jews living in the West Bank, you get citizenship, a right to vote, to protest, the protection of the army and many other rights.

The Palestinians have very limited autonomy under the Palestinian Authority, which has all but collapsed during the conflict due to the devastation levied against Palestines infrastructure. They have increasing laws and fines levied upon them by the Israeli govt - the largest is probably tax. They previously had their taxes reimbursed to the PA by Israel who collects them - but this has always been at the will of the Israeli govt, and has been withheld to the sum of several hundreds of millions of dollars in the last decade. Under 2018 law Israel just keeps an amount they decide based on how much they think the PA has paid to families incarcerated or killed by Israel (quite an opaque process). So they are significanly taxed, policed, and governed by Israel, hell they control their water and power and food - but they have no representation, and very limited rights. That is not democracy.

I would say that the Israelis have done their best to follow the pattern of other repressive regimes: slowly take away rights of the outgroup until they have none left - and as the group responds - initially peacefully, respond with increasing force at every opportunity, and eventually so too will those protesting their conditions, and justification will be met for the violent suppression that was initially desired.

I guess the real test will be the response of the Israeli govt to their protesters - because I suspect they will find themselves next on the chopping block. If the main method the Israeli govt have of solving their political problems is escalating violence then that will eventually be turned inward.

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[–] WanderingVentra@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago (4 children)

The US did a genocide on the Native Americans, even after being a democracy.

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[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sadly either the same or a few days longer than when idf took out the World Central Kitchen workers and trucks.

Although that achieved removing aid from Gaza so Israel probably treats it as a win, like they would attacking more aid ships.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4g2g6w4109o

[–] cabbage@piefed.social 7 points 1 day ago

I really think celebrity changes the nature of this. I suspect the media's urge to cover celebrity news is even greater than their urge not to talk about Israel's crimes.

[–] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 61 points 2 days ago (1 children)

There is also Rima Hassan on board, an elected representative of the EU.

[–] Octagon9561@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 day ago

Frankly looking at Isntreal's track record, I'm not optimistic.

[–] frenchfryenjoyer@lemmings.world 21 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Just when you think Israel can't fall lower they fall even lower. imagine thinking this is helping your case to try and look like the good party

[–] Sektor@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

They whack her and what happens? They flattened Gaza without any consequences. Starving the people like it's 1942, everyone on facebook gives sad emoji and then scroll on.

[–] rumimevlevi@lemmings.world 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Really? I always expect the terrorist state to fall lower

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmings.world 3 points 1 day ago

I would never believe that a nation that openly embraces genocide couldn't fall even lower. There is no bottom for people like that.

[–] cabbage@piefed.social 7 points 1 day ago

They're far beyond that point. Their only concern right now is to finish their genocide before they're stopped.

[–] Tangent5280@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Well, there is a good case to be made that Greta Thunberg is not ANY white person.

[–] rumimevlevi@lemmings.world 2 points 1 day ago

The diplomats that was shot by israel in the west bank aren't any white peoplen either

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 16 points 2 days ago

In chess this is referred to as "getting your ass kicked"

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