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Britain has escalated the global nuclear arms race – and is bringing us closer to armageddon | Simon Tisdall (www.theguardian.com)

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[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

What is this Tankie bullshit?

We aren't the aggressors forcing Europe, Canada, Japan, and Australia to ramp up defence. Russia and China are, as well as the US signalling how unreliable and ally they are.

Russia threatens to nuke this country on a weekly basis, carried out nuclear assassinations on our soil, and brainless tankies like this one is blaming us for it?

[–] SleafordMod@feddit.uk 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If the UK got rid of its nukes then we'd just be defenceless against Russia, China, and even the US if the US decides they don't value their old allies (which seems to be the case these days).

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Russia and China do not care about a small damp island whose primary industries are depression and money laundering

[–] SleafordMod@feddit.uk 10 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Why do tankies always leap to the defence of Russia and China? Really odd.

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

"Why do the people who actually know things keep shutting down my dumbshit jingoiism? Why can't these crazy radicals just let me advocate for nuclear Armageddon in peace?"

Tell me your opinion of what's happening in Palestine right now

[–] tenebrisnox@feddit.uk 1 points 2 weeks ago

Spank that tank!

[+] CascadeOfLight@hexbear.net -2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

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[–] SleafordMod@feddit.uk 9 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Yeah, you're definitely on the moral side of the argument when you fantasise about murdering civilians with a nuclear bomb.

[–] CascadeOfLight@hexbear.net 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Whereas you ARE on the moral side of the argument because your government's elite death squads actually do murder civilians

[–] SleafordMod@feddit.uk 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

That link isn't working for me. But in any case I can't really change what the UK government does. I can vote but that doesn't really make a huge difference.

[–] CascadeOfLight@hexbear.net 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

At least you get that you don't live in a democracy, just a dictatorship of capitalists with some occasional political pageantry.

[–] SleafordMod@feddit.uk 1 points 2 weeks ago

I think the UK is a democracy but it's a bit flawed (like every democracy I guess). I often think the UK would be more democratic if we had proportional representation.

Anyway the subject is just being changed, this is a tangent. My original point was that nukes could help the UK to defend itself. Perhaps Europe as a whole can have a shared nuclear capability, starting with British/French nukes.

[–] CascadeOfLight@hexbear.net 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Also 'civilians' lmao the denizens of London's financial district are among the vilest ghouls to ever walk the Earth

[–] SleafordMod@feddit.uk 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Yes they're civilians. Not just bankers (although I don't think bankers deserve death just because someone on the internet doesn't like them). There will be cleaners, bus drivers, shop workers, etc, and you want to murder them all with a nuclear bomb.

[–] CascadeOfLight@hexbear.net 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Look, it's all love. I don't want to murder them with my nuclear bomb that I have (my possession of which must be what's warranting this level of concern from you) I just recognize that for our species to have a future on this planet they're all gonna need to either be put in prison until they can be taught to value human life, or else be killed.

As for the hypothetical harm to the hypothetical civilians in the hypothetical scenario where I hypothetically have a nuclear bomb, I hope you have the same level of outrage about the real civilians in Gaza that the RAF has provided over 50% of the reconnaissance overflights for, to help Israel more efficiently massacre them using drones built with UK components.

[–] SleafordMod@feddit.uk 1 points 2 weeks ago

they’re all gonna need to either be put in prison until they can be taught to value human life, or else be killed

Cleaners and bus drivers who work in the City of London? Even if you just mean bankers, are they as bad as rapists and murderers? I don't love bankers but I don't think that working for a bank means you need to be imprisoned or killed.

I hope you have the same level of outrage about the real civilians in Gaza that the RAF has provided over 50% of the reconnaissance overflights for

Well I think Israel should stop its bombings of Gaza. You're changing the subject though. It's completely possible for me to disagree with Israel's actions in Gaza, while also disagreeing with the idea of nuking the City of London.

[–] porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Unlike that person's imaginary nukes, you are building real actual nukes and threatening civilians with them. And if they definitely weren't threatening civilians they wouldn't serve their purpose as a deterrent so there would be no point building them.

[–] SleafordMod@feddit.uk -1 points 2 weeks ago

It would be great to live in a world without nukes. But as it stands, quite a few countries have nukes. If the UK gave up its nukes then Russia or China could come along and take over the UK. "Surrender or we'll nuke you."

[–] lurch@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Actually was russia and trump. They just reacted to an increasingly hostile environment. It's a shame it came to this, but I don't blame them.