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[–] archonet@lemy.lol 7 points 1 day ago

So... We need to start calling Trump supporters slurs?

Jokes on you, I've been calling them retarded for years.

[–] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

It’s worse than that. They’re all insider trading stocks on all sorts of industries that they directly regulate and have every incentive to weaken, corrode, rip-off, and kill you including weapons manufacturers and defense contractors. Both parties are literally financing and directly benefiting from our rapid decline in the best case and complete obliteration in the worst.

[–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

This is literally what the GOP has been working towards for 40 years and dems are all like "Whelp! Yep they're corrupt and trampling the constitution but what can we do? Please send money"

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

they don't want to, cause they are just controlled opposition

[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The Democrats are the lesser of the two evils. They are more subtle about not really helping the lower-class and fixing the insane amount of poverty in the USA.

[–] Lv_InSaNe_vL@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

That subtle stuff has been bothering me. Like, I don't agree with any policies from the Republicans but at least they just tell me to go fuck myself and dont pretend that they really do care

[–] bss03@infosec.pub 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't know what "going low" means, but if we discard our morals and dehumanize our opponents to get into power, that's still a fascist regime in power.

I do agree that we need candidates that will wield political power to favor the working class and reduce marginalization. Depending on where you are check out Working Families Party or Sunrise Movement.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I disagree with Ironsides overall callout, but there is room for us to get a little more rowdy.

The democrats are trying hard to appeal to the republican base and give them things they want, to the detriment of their own base. They're trying to play both sides. We need to be shouting, calling out all this stupid shit and if media won't give us attention, they need to take to platforms that will help spread the word. We need clear communication and a concise, reasonably progressive agenda broadcast to the people, we need to call out Faux news on their bullshit and try to shoot straight to the people.

[–] bss03@infosec.pub 1 points 1 day ago

There are plenty of working-class people that still vote Republican, for a variety or reasons, and I think it is good to try to appeal to them. I don't think Ds should appeal to them by attacking immigrants or trans people or any other marginalized group, but they do need to appeal to them. Working Families Party seems to be carrying some water there.

I do agree that a loud and proud commitment to the truth (and matching rejection of MAGA fables) is a component. But, I think broad, sweeping denigration doesn't help -- individually, in-person, explaining to someone why their stated believe are wrong and objectionable can work (and in fact, seems to work better that just shunning/ostracization). But, calling everyone that voted for any R your low-intelligence or low-morality slur of choice (e.g.: "idiot" or "deplorable") over mass / social media just strengthens the group identity.

Of course, I talk a big game, but I'm not doing anything real. I don't know what I'd do where I'm at; it feels like a lost cause, and I can't stray too far from the house due to familial duties.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

People assume the Democratic party don't know what they are doing. They know precisely what they are doing by feigning they don't know what they are doing.

The oligarchs really have both parties, and the country in its entirety as a result, by the balls. That is why it is crucial to realise to also protest against oligarchy alongside "No Kings" protest. Trump is only the front and fall guy, it is the oligarchs who are truly in power.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The oligarchs really have both parties,

I made this meme a while ago:

I am increasingly worried that the Democrat/Republican divide, or the US democracy in general, is mostly a "divide and conquer" scheme. It makes people believe they can choose their country's path, but actually, both parties agree on essential questions of economics, such as that there are practically no taxes on the rich, that there's weak social safety nets, and such.

The differences between the parties are only in the culture, or as i say, in the sexuality, which should be a private issue overall, and it makes for an excellent distraction from economic issues.

The only thing that politics actually should care about is the socio-economic situation, i.e. how much resources do people have to live.

[–] Almacca@aussie.zone 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The differences we should be focusing on are between the owners and the owned. The left/right bullshit is just to keep the plebs infighting.

[–] bss03@infosec.pub 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] nomy@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago

No Gods No Masters

[–] throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Dems watch too much movies where the good guys keep letting the bad guy live.

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Why do you think the rich love making movies with that trope so much. Or the ones where revolutionaries always end up just as bad as the oppressor they overthrew.

[–] throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

revolutionaries always end up just as bad as the oppressor they overthrew

To be fair, this happens a lot. Not "always" but too often enough.

Even the American Revolution. So yay, overthrew "British Tyranny". So you're gonna free the slaves, right? Right? "Freedom" remember? (Well y'all know the rest of the history)

Edit: Cherry on top, the UK now has a better healthcare system than the US 🤣

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It's because they don't want to stop insider trading and taking these bribes they are even taking these political assassinations seriously

[–] Nangijala@feddit.dk 6 points 1 day ago

It's hard to stand for any principles when you're bought and paid for by the very people who are currently riding their insanity bus with trump.

[–] cogman@lemmy.world 159 points 2 days ago (19 children)

Dems don't need to go low. They need to stop chasing conservative voters.

The reason they are so timid on everything is because the consultant class has convinced them that if they are just a bit more right wing, they'll win the next election.

If Dems fired the consultants and chased the working class, they'd win big time. People hate the Dems because they are corporate captured.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 79 points 2 days ago

Dems don’t need to go low.

Yeah, they just need to stop taking the high road. The regular road where people are called out held accountable for being terrible is fine, no need to go low.

[–] Rolder@reddthat.com 25 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Good ol America where your options are corporate captured, or corporate captured but with slurs and hate speech.

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The Dems have no survival instincts at all

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

Low isn't required, but not being a giant pussy is, and, by extension, knowing the difference.

[–] selfdefense420@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"Just one more peaceful protest bro. I swear bro"

Insert that one guy who insists on a 3.5% of the population peaceful protest

[–] MolecularCactus1324@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

“gRoW a sPiNe”

Nothing sounds weaker than tiptoeing around the phrase”grow some balls.”

[–] nomy@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago

All things being equal, "grow some balls" is a gendered statement. It implies you need "balls" to be strong or able to form coherent arguments or defend yourself.

I can see why someone would intentionally use an alternate phrase.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I think "spine" has a connotation of morality, whereas "balls" is about pure daring.

But yeah more or less synonymous and you're right that it's definitely used as a euphemism for the stronger version. But also slightly different connotations depending on context, imho

[–] andwhy@50501.chat 9 points 1 day ago

Don’t have to go low to tell the fucking truth and call it as it is. They just need to stop pandering and open their fucking mouths.

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 1 points 1 day ago

... we are doomed.

You don't need the "if"

[–] opus86@lemmy.today 8 points 1 day ago

One party acts like it cares about people and the other party doesn't care about even trying, but they both work for the same people.

[–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago (12 children)

“We need the conservatives to keep the conservatives in check!”

This country needs political literacy and situational understanding, there aren’t two parties.

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[–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 35 points 2 days ago (12 children)

Why would they grow a spine? The people funding them are the same as those funding the people who are fine with this happening.

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[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 24 points 2 days ago

"Listen, we're doing fine. We have two clear paths to victory and they involve completely ignoring progressives. I mean yeah, sure, we could win big time with them but that's not happening, we're not letting that happen, stop asking for ice cream we're going to eat rocks and you're going to like it. Our two paths to victory are 1: becoming more conservative to get conservative voters or 2: a giant meteor breaks up in the atmosphere and large chunks hit major Republican strongholds. Those are the two realistic paths we're following. WE'RE GOING TO IGNORE PROGRESSIVES, STOP ASKING!"

[–] bieren@lemmy.zip 19 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Especially with this guy getting a couple of 2nd degree charges. And Luigi being labeled a terrorist. Shits fucked yo.

[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 2 days ago

Wait what, seriously? Killing a CEO is terrorism, but two politicians is just "normal" murder? That's absolutely fucked.

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