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[–] Rooty@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

It's called "disappearing someone" and it was something that was supposedly done by dictators and tyrants.

[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

There's gotta be ~~criminals~~ non-ICE who exploit this. Like it must be so easy now for ransomers to kidnap somebody.

[–] Red_October@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

What may have been the largest organized protests in American history were just a few days back, the president has record-breakingly low approval, even his own party's talking heads are turning against him. If you're not going to be satisfied by anything short of armed uprising then at least be brave enough to say as much, but pretending that Americans just don't see anything wrong and aren't doing anything is an act of wilful and blatant ignorance.

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

I wouldn't rest on your laurels just yet. You'll know when you've begun to turn the tide because the beast will lash out. The restraint we are seeing right now just means they've got a whole lot more in the tank.

You dont have to look further than last October to see this same type of hubris play out. Kamala had momentum and there was 100% a point where if the vote happend then she would have won. For what ever reason they backed off on the "weird" stuff and started rolling out the neocons. The DNC is going to fuck you and you wont even see it coming.

[–] Red_October@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

You're only proving that you don't actually have any idea what's going on here, acting like we're resting on our laurels because there was a big protest. Nobody here is thinking "Yeah we made ourselves heard, job's done!" Nobody here says the fight is won, but you're out here acting like nothing is being done at all.

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

No. Im pushing like I've been pushing for the last 8 years. Grow up.

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 5 points 8 hours ago

Now? You think this happens at the drop of a hat? The entire system is built that way since decades.

[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 6 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

There are still people here who still make the excuse that Harris is just as bad as Trump, you guys are fucked as a country

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world -4 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

You always like to claim people say that, but no one ever says that. They said they wouldnt vote for anyone in any party who supports genocide. You twist it around to be the words you prefer. I call that lying, but to each their own.

[–] Red_October@lemmy.world 0 points 3 hours ago

Meanwhile their vote or lack thereof directly empowered someone who actively encourages it, they just don't want to take responsibility for that part.

Well you have a deranged view of the world so I don’t really care what you think is a lie, when you can’t even be truthful about your own bullshit

[–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world -1 points 4 hours ago

Potato potato.

[–] needthosepylons@lemmy.world 17 points 12 hours ago (8 children)

I mean America is a fascist regime. And you know who support fascism? Fascists. So I guess most fascists are kinda OK with what's happening.

That's not denial, that's full endorsement.

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[–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 5 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

We did just have the largest protest in the history of the nation... I think some of us are aware.

[–] kattykorner@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago

Not nearly enough apparently

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (2 children)

.... I love the protesters... I love the protests... but the mere fact youre coming at me like that meant anything other than we marched in the street on a Saturday tells me youre not taking this seriously.

[–] slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

You just wait until the 2A nuts come out. We all know they hate nothing more than a corrupt government, and the only reason they stockpile guns is to fight the government. Right?

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 hours ago

Oops, they actually like tyranny, go figure.

[–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

You have no idea who I am or what I do. Don't be so arrogant.

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

If I made you angry, good. Angry people are more likely to act.

[–] kattykorner@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Angry people are more likely to act. Yep , that' how you end up getting punched in the face. Or assassinated.

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 hours ago

... who's being arrogant again?

[–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

The protests were baked into the Project 2025 plan from its inception. They've changed nothing.

[–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago

Stop being a defeatist.

[–] Narauko@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

I am pro-border in the fact that I think borders serve an important purpose and that laws surrounding immigration should exist and be enforced. That said, I think fixing immigration requires following the god damned laws and constitution, you don't enforce the law by breaking it. Fuck! Immigration courts and the entire immigration bureaucracy needs to be beefed up to handle this, and law enforcement of any kind needs to be working under the judicial system. Warrants are needed, you can't suspend habeas corpus, cops should never be masked and anonymous, and all law enforcement should be held to a higher standard than everyone else.

I think Trump is causing the legitimate action of enforcing our laws to look bad, and he is harming law and order for decades or longer. It should not be controversial to enforce laws, and if it is those laws need to be changed.

Despite how scofflaw this administration is, however, I do not think Trump will run for a third term. I don't think we as a country or even the Republican party as a whole is willing to that blatantly flout the constitution, and I think that at least 60% of both parties want what is best for the country. I don't think actual Nazis or true jackbooted fascists are more than 10% of the right (I can't believe I now think it's that high), but do believe 20-30% are exploited by grifters and opportunists. That might be naive, but it seems like.everyone is abandoning their faith in the fundamental good of others all across the country/world and I think that is sad.

[–] gabbath@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

The only reason he wouldn't run for a third term is if he died in office. Which he probably will either way since I'm not expecting those elections to be fair. (I know it sounds crazy but they've broken so much in just 5 months and we're on the verge of war and martial law.)

And he has incentive to stay in office too: the main reason he ran was to stay out of prison. It was either prison or president.

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

We could spend all day throwing out numbers, making predictions, arguing over facts, and burning each other out. We could parade around our favorite talking heads and share link after link that proves our exact point. These are the mechanisms of control. These are weeds that grow faster than any one person can cut them back.

We've given so much of our lives to serve some cause that none of us believe in. Now your very liberty is under threat, if only you had the eyes to see it.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

We could spend all day throwing out numbers, making predictions, arguing over facts

I'm with you! I hate numbers, and facts!

/s

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 hours ago

Wow, you really understood what I was talking about. So impressed.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 17 points 13 hours ago

How long will people

The Gestapo could be hauling them away in cuffs and putting them away in camps and some will just go "why is this happening to me? there must be some mistake"

Anyone who is still on the fence is either only tuned into propaganda or is incapable of reasoning.

[–] razzazzika@lemmy.zip 6 points 11 hours ago

For some it'll probably take til his fourth

[–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 13 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

I think the line between a liberal democracy and fascism is much blurrier than most people think. I suspect the transition from one to the other, going in either direction, is entirely dependent on how much internal forces threaten the ruling capitalist class.

Right now, I think the US is on the decline but hasn’t yet experienced a crisis which really threatens the power of the capitalist class. Fascists seeking power therefore need to manufacture crises in order to accumulate power. That’s where I think the US is at right now.

However, I’m not sure how well it will really work. Democratic state leaders are effectively demonstrating that the existing law enforcement structures are perfectly capable of violently cracking down on dissent. So if you’re a wealthy capitalist, why would you push your bought and paid for judges and politicians to make Trump president for life? It seems like a needlessly risky move in my opinion.

That said, we can only say that the rich will operate rationally to protect their own interests on average. Individually, they can be wildly erratic like Elon Musk has proven to be. As such, the more wealth is concentrated into fewer and fewer hands, the less predictable the outcomes are.

[–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 7 points 12 hours ago

True, fascism is the ultimate weapon that capitalists use in reaction to labor movements and class consciousness gaining strength. In fact, I’d argue that given modern advances in communication technology, which allow people to communicate and organize easier than ever, a fascist swing was almost inevitable.

It’s a shame that western world leaders don’t like dialectic materialism. We might have identified the problem before it seized power.

[–] untakenusername@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I think a lot of people realize that trump is increasing the power of the govt, but the word fascist means different things to different people. Everyone thinks Hitler was a fascist, that Mussolini was one, but theres tons of people who oppose trump and think he fits into a different description that doesn't involve fascism. And ofc the people who do support him don't think he is and the ones that do are chill with it.

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 8 hours ago

Everyone thinks Hitler was a fascist, that Mussolini was one, but theres tons of people who oppose trump and think he fits into a different description that doesn’t involve fascism.

And they would be wrong and they are failing to remain vigilant

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 26 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (7 children)

funny how you never hear from the "cold dead hands" guys when tyranny actually happens

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