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[–] Zwrt@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 3 hours ago

Devided? Between who?

Checks article: And Its berween the people who have lives there versus the ruling class who are about to profit because of course.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 38 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

Bezos’ is hardly the only high-dollar wedding to be held in the city — not least George and Amal Clooney’s nuptials in 2014, which were cheered on by locals.

Yeah don't confuse the Clooneys for Bezos, please. Whether an actor should be a half-billionaire is up for debate but if anyone should have that kind of money yes it's artists, sportsball players, etc. That is, don't confuse celebrities and feudal lords. Venice is an ancient and serene republic, have some self-respect.

[–] oce@jlai.lu 12 points 7 hours ago (5 children)

Whether an actor should be a half-billionaire is up for debate but if anyone should have that kind of money yes it’s artists, sportsball players, etc.

Why would it be more fair for them than CEOs? I'm not defending this one but asking in general.

[–] barryamelton@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 3 minutes ago)

Artists are on a gift-based economy. They gain status by giving away works. If you are the best artist in the world but don't make an effort to share your works, you are irrelevant. The more they give away the more they are recognised. Even if they give them away via pirated works. See: movies, songs that everybody knows and resonates with. Status is their currency, not money.

The status then allows them to obtain more money than other people, incidentally.

CEOs are on a market-based economy, they sell goods and services for money. They don't sell their status. The goods and services they sell are not theirs, but created with the stolen sweat, blood and lives of the people that work for them, which get a minuscule share of the profit for the amount of life they put onto it.

In gift-based economies such as the ones of artists, open source developers, fashion, cultures without scarcities of the specific resource that makes the economy (such as small plentiful tropical tribes, communes, etc), the status is the currency.

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Artists give. When they actually work. At their real jobs. Dubno if they deserve more than scientists or steel workers, but if it turns out we do actually need inequaluty and theres a lottery for which professions make you rich, i won't begrudge them a win.

Ceo's take, ruin, defile everything they touch. The meth addict who wanders around the city pissing on things is closer to a net positive than a ceo. The MBA and its various spawn was the final genocidal victory lap of the confederacy, and their purée must all soak the soil before the tree of freedom can grow.

[–] roscoe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Because an entertainer/athlete gets a paycheck for doing a job. They're not getting rich underpaying employees.

The debatable part comes in when you get more nuanced than that: The richest of them probably derive most of their wealth from investments once they've accumulated enough capital. Their industry requires the efforts of many underpaid people (even if they don't directly get a say in that). Anyone that keeps (not just earns) a billion wakes up every morning and decides not to solve homelessness in their city. Etc.

But a 20mm paycheck to put asses in seats is a paycheck, not exploitation.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 13 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

The vast majority of CEOs don't become billionaires, most billionaires are born with a golden spoon in their mouth, and the rest got there by stepping on everyone else's backs. That's rewarding sociopathy.

Artists and athletes don't do either, they work to get good at their craft and, crucially, would be doing the same thing even if they were not as successful as they are. You can count them as petite bourgeois which of course come in good and bad but as artists and athletes are not, by trade, businesspeople they tend to very much fall on the good side. Like, you won't see Clooney undermining the actor's union -- on the contrary, he's advocated for raising his own union dues. And when they use their money to start a business you don't tend to get another Oracle or something but ARCH Motorcycles. Give me one reason why, in luxury space anarchism, the answer to Keanu Reeves saying "I want to build cool motorcycles, you in?" the answer of the collective wouldn't range from "hell yes" to "meh but you guys do you". He'd get all the resources he'd need: He entertained and uplifted billions, of course we'll chime in.

OTOH, of course, fuck J.K. Rowling. But unlike with the golden spoon billionaires she's the exception, not the norm.

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

arch motorcycles

Wait, there was actual product placement in cyberpunk 2077? Also yes. Even without post scarcity, that's a perfectly lovely way to get around.

ceos bad

Also, the mba was the invention of robert e lee. It was revenge for 'ending' slavery, and the seeds from which it rose more powerful than before.

So, you know; fuck them. They are a poison. Turn stanford to glass.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 1 hour ago

It's a couple more actually. That list also mentions brands that are in other games and source books but e.g. Porsche is definitely in 2077.

[–] delcaran@feddit.it 8 points 7 hours ago

My 2cents: Bezos money comes from other people's works, entertainers money comes from the perception that other people has of their work. Of course there are exceptions.

[–] remon@ani.social 32 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Well, Italy does have a lot of Luigis ... so there is hope.

[–] selfdefense420@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

i mean, honestly, here's europe's chance to do what they claim americans are too scared to do.

[–] TBi@lemmy.world 5 points 10 hours ago (1 children)
[–] remon@ani.social 10 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

On an unrelated note, did you know that in a lot of European countries it's totally legal to own a crossbow? You can just order one online.

[–] defaultsamson@lemmy.ml 9 points 10 hours ago

Recently visited Venice, and it was an excellent place.

From my observations, there is not really a place for big business there; no big roads, hardly any trains, essentially no commercial transport besides small boats. In a place as such, goliaths like Amazon are likely out-competed by local businesses.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 61 points 20 hours ago

Though the details of the Bezos wedding are highly guarded beyond the rumored $10-million budget

Ok so I'm not going to say that we all need to eat dirt so long as anyone is worse off than we are, but that's a lot of money that could be spent on anything else.

I'm not christian but camel through the eye of a needle, man. You can't be a good person when you're sitting on that much wealth, and Bezos isn't even trying.

[–] koper@feddit.nl 276 points 1 day ago (16 children)

“You’re telling me none of these people shop on Amazon?” said New Orleans native Jake Springer, who, along with his wife, was spending a weekend in Venice on a wine tour through Italy. “At least they are protesting peacefully. Americans could learn a thing or two from this.”

They found the dumbest possible American to give a comment.

[–] Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 hours ago

The dumbest American with a passport.

Of course there are far dumber Americans but they aren't the kind who travel to Europe.

[–] biofaust@lemmy.world 17 points 14 hours ago

Them protesting peacefully is exactly why Bezos will eventually get things his way.

Please notice that Brugnaro, mayor of Venice, is politically spawned out of Berlusconi's party, Forza Italia.

Italian lesson: "Dio li fa, e poi li accoppia": "God makes them, and then pairs them"

[–] Ronno@feddit.nl 11 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

Americans seem to overestimate how big Amazon is here in Europe. Most people I know rarely buy anything off Amazon, a couple have Amazon Prime to watch content on, but that's mostly it.

[–] utopiah@lemmy.world 6 points 9 hours ago

Both are probably wrong so would be nice to have data instead. Here in Belgium checking out from postal workers deliveries or on recycling garbage day I can see a lot of Amazon parcels unfortunately. Your observation is not wrong, neither is mine, so the question rather is how relevant they are when scaled to all of Europe.

[–] koper@feddit.nl 14 points 13 hours ago

But even if you do buy on Amazon sometimes, why should that make you on board with surrendering your city to this billionaire? It's part of this toxic obsession of finding minor 'gotchas'/hypocrisies instead of debating substance. You MUST subscribe to every belief of team A and hate everything from team B.

[–] PlexSheep@infosec.pub 6 points 13 hours ago

You seem to underestimate it though. Amazon is pretty big here as well, even just considering the "buy stuff" parts.

[–] Bosht@lemmy.world 47 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Seeing as they are on a wine tour, it's probably another out of touch millionaire

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[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 68 points 1 day ago (5 children)

To be fair, it's not that difficult.

At least they found one that could form a coherent sentence.

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[–] Treetrimmer@sh.itjust.works 8 points 18 hours ago

I was listening to an NPR segment asking American tourists at a French vineyard what they thought of the tariffs and they also managed to find the biggest group of dipshit chads they could

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[–] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 96 points 1 day ago (2 children)

People of Venice! The time has come to show the world what you're made of, and more importantly, what you've got inside.

Let the canals bear witness to your courage. Not with arms, but with... offerings. I want to see a million floating turds on that sacred day. Let this wedding be remembered. Not for love, but for sheer intestinal audacity.

Take a stand, take a squat, and defecate for dignity.

Fate la storia. Fate galleggiare la gloria.

[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 16 hours ago

If they do anything to prevent things from floating through, get out your waffle stompin' boots, Venice!

[–] biofaust@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago

Moeche can feed on billionaires. Just sayin'.

[–] NotSteve_@lemmy.ca 174 points 1 day ago (4 children)

“You’re telling me none of these people shop on Amazon?” said New Orleans native Jake Springer, who, along with his wife, was spending a weekend in Venice on a wine tour through Italy. “At least they are protesting peacefully. Americans could learn a thing or two from this.”

[–] Rooskie91@discuss.online 76 points 1 day ago

That person sounds absolutely insufferable.

[–] CMLVI@lemmy.world 36 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Lmao the governors tell people to run over protestor here if they are in the street. Both methods block travel in the city, Venice is just specifically aimed at inconveniencing Bezos rather than the general populace.

[–] KumaSudosa@feddit.dk 4 points 10 hours ago

How dare they inconvenience Lord Bezos though? Have they never used Amazon or dreamt about his rocket, huh? They should be grateful and hand over the city to him

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[–] oxysis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 73 points 1 day ago

Fuck you Bezos

[–] ToastedRavioli@midwest.social 36 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I could have sworn this dude got married in Aspen and spent $600M on it. They shutdown the airport for it even because of all the private traffic

How many times are they tying the knot?

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