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Berlin-based business consultant Matt and his colleague were among the first at their workplace to discover ChatGPT, mere weeks after its release. He says the chatbot transformed their workdays overnight. "It was like discovering a video game cheat," says Matt. "I asked a really technical question from my PhD thesis, and it provided an answer that no one would be able to find without consulting people with very specific expertise. I knew it would be a game changer."

Day-to-day tasks in his fast-paced environment – such as researching scientific topics, gathering sources and producing thorough presentations to clients – suddenly became a breeze. The only catch: Matt and his colleague had to keep their use of ChatGPT a closely guarded secret. They accessed the tool covertly, mostly on working-from-home days.

"We had a significant competitive advantage against our colleagues – our output was so much faster and they couldn't comprehend how. Our manager was very impressed and spoke about our performance with senior management," he says.

Whether the technology is explicitly banned, highly frowned upon or giving some workers a covert leg up, some employees are searching for ways to keep using generative AI tools discreetly. The technology is increasingly becoming an employee backchannel: in a February 2023 study by professional social network Fishbowl, 68% of 5,067 respondents who used AI at work said they don't disclose usage to their bosses.

Even in instances without workplace bans, employees may still want to keep their use of AI hidden, or at least guarded, from peers. "We don't have norms established around AI yet – it can initially look like you're conceding you're not actually that good at your job if the machine is doing many of your tasks," says Johnson. "It's natural that people would want to conceal that."

As a result, forums are popping up for workers to swap strategies for keeping a low profile. In communities like Reddit, many people seek methods of secretly circumventing workplace bans, either through high-tech solutions (integrating ChatGPT into a native app disguised as a workplace tool) or rudimentary ones to obscure usage (adding a privacy screen, or discreetly accessing the technology on their personal phone at their desk).

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[–] iHUNTcriminals@lemm.ee 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Obviously no one used AI for the title.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lol fr, this is what ChatGPT 4 outputted for me

"Employees Covertly Embrace AI Tools Like ChatGPT Despite Rising Corporate Concerns"

Seems much better IMO lolol

[–] deleted@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

So the guy didn’t learn from the article that AI does a better job lol

[–] justgohomealready@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I think I understand why this is a double-edged sword. Most consulting companies basically invoice hours. Even a lot of software development is charged by the hour. So now empoyees use AI, come up with awesome work much faster, and all that looks like a big advantage - until you get to the end of the month and find out that you now have a lot less billable hours logged.

The bright side is that you can now deliver more projects - so you now have to do much more work to invoice the same as before, and all the competition is now also delivering awesome work. It's a race to the bottom, more stress and less money for everyone involved.

[–] Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 year ago

And then all those clients come back complaining, because the factual info the AI confidently provided turns out to be made up, ending up in a huge loss of money.

[–] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 9 points 1 year ago

That's merely a logistics problem.

The far greater issues is the fact that the AI is an external system with no guarantees of confidentiality or quality. You're giving this system private business and technical information and getting who-knows-what in return.

Your company and your employees are still the ones on the hook for the final product so everything AI gives you still needs to be verified and vetted by people who know what they're doing (if you're not a complete cowboy farm).

Assuming it turns out ok you've not saved as much time and resources as you think, and you've still given away private information.

If you don't think someone out there is going through all the private emails and proprietary code submitted to AI you're being very naive.

[–] vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago

This. I don’t want to be a project manager for 40 projects while AI does the actual work.

[–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 year ago

in a February 2023 study by professional social network Fishbowl, 68% of 5,067 respondents who used AI at work said they don't disclose usage to their bosses.

An undemocratic workplace is like a game of poker, right from the interview. I'd pretend I do my job, you'd pretend you pay a fair wage.

One can imagine if such a tool with a dramatic productivity boost has been discovered, there is a reason to vote or choose: if each and all of employees want to double the income or halve the work time.

But when parties compete with each other, there is one only will to fool your boss and probably even coworkers, as it guarantees you can play this card. Flash it too soon and you are either empty-handed or outright disadvantaged by your discovery.

It's good to read news about new unions and cooperatives. They smoother down this outright hostile environment. Shame they weren't here before this AI wave,

[–] art@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Much of my job should have been computerized a while back, and we now have numerous tools to automate various tasks. However, my comprehension of the results enables me to distinguish between reliable data and errors, which my boss is unable to do due to their limited understanding of the output.

Having a good boss that understands that is key. Not everyone is so lucky on that front.

[–] iforgotmyinstance@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm using it all the time for all kinds of shit. So is everyone else (that's why the businesses behind them are able to make money).

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm pretty sure email work has been transformed into an extremely inefficient format for sharing bullet pointed documents.

  1. Give the AI a bullet pointed list and get it to generate an email from that list.
  2. Send the email
  3. Recipient gets the AI to summarise the email into a bullet pointed list.
[–] Spellinbee@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I do that with SOPs, part of my job if to create them for a new system we're using. I essentially just create bullet points, say hey, can you make the following into an SOP? And paste my bullets. It spits out a pretty clean looking SOP that I just need to go in and edit a bit. It's really useful.

[–] DJDarren@thelemmy.club 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I use it to help me figure out how to get spreadsheets to do things I need them to. For that, it's essentially the same as using a search engine, but you can be pretty specific in a way that you can't with Google unless you get lucky and happen to want to do exactly what someone else has already done.

It isn't perfect by any means, but it helps me to figure out the tools and commands I can use that I wasn't previously aware of.

[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 2 points 1 year ago

I use AI mostly to provide search engine style results, because search engine results are utter garbage at this point.

[–] Destraight@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

can't use AI to hold 2 pieces of metal together while I weld it. AI is irrelevant to me, and my job is safe

[–] alienanimals@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Two years ago...

can't use AI to create art. AI is irrelevant to me, and my job is safe -artists

[–] admin@lemmy.my-box.dev 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Haven't welding robots been a thing for ages? In a few years that bot can do your job, and figure out how to do it more efficiently while it's doing it.

[–] DJDarren@thelemmy.club 4 points 1 year ago

Somebody said that to me a few years ago, and honestly, I think we're still a looooong way away from robots being able to weld up repair jobs.

Sure, they can be used for making mass produced, new items, but a huge amount of welding work is bespoke pieces, or repair jobs. And honestly, building a robot to do that work will be far, far, far more hassle to most employers than simply paying someone to get in there and get it welded. There are just too many variables to take into account for the machinery to be cost effective - right now.

Of course, a few years down the line, and the robots might have become cheaper to deploy, but they'll have to be damn cheap for people like my boss who refuses to even buy a few old Android tablets so we can digitise much of the shop floor documentation.

[–] astropenguin5@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

For large-scale industrial production, yes. It is likely the original commenter is doing custom or fairly small-scale welding, which needs either a much more expensive welding robot, or lots of extra work reconfiguring a still very expensive one. For such applications it is both cheaper and faster to do by hand and likely will be for a long time, though how small scale the practical limit for having a robot will likely decrease over time.

[–] Destraight@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'd like to see a robot try to bend underneath trailers and climb on top of trailers to do my welding job, but guess what? They can't. So unless you got some Boston dynamic acrobatic bots in stock that are "programmed" to do my job. it will never happen and I have nothing to worry abt

[–] admin@lemmy.my-box.dev 1 points 1 year ago

Fair enough, I hadn't considered repair job when I wrote that.

But if I were you, I'd be really careful about that "never". If you're old enough, you might have retired by the time your job will be replaced, but it's going to happen.