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[–] fiat_lux@kbin.social 64 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I prefer more drag, less death and suffering.

But not more fascists either, which presents a dilemma.

[–] RelentlessArts@feddit.uk 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I just like dead fascists I can't help it.

[–] fiat_lux@kbin.social 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I just hate suffering so much, even the suffering of those deliberately causing suffering. It's a weird philosophical paradox I struggle with and I'm not sure how to resolve it.

[–] RelentlessArts@feddit.uk 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well you're better than me because I have definitely relished in the suffering of those who've caused suffering. World needs less of me tbh.

[–] fiat_lux@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't think it's "better", necessarily. It's partly a protective measure against empathising with people who cause suffering. Because I don't want to suffer.

Aggression against people who cause suffering is a different protection mechanism, and we are both just products of our experiences.

The world needs more people who can engage with self-awareness and evaluating their motives and actions, which you seem able to do. I wish you no suffering!

[–] skulblaka@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago

Having both types of people is important to a healthy society. The world needs paladins, those willing to wield violence in the pursuit of justice. A society without them would be ripe for strongarming by anyone with a loose set of morals and empty pockets. But we also need people like you, to keep us in check, so that the whole world might not go blind from our eye for an eye.

[–] CountZero@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's not that hard to resolve. In an ideal situation, the fascists would drop dead without feeling anything. I agree that suffering is wrong, but death is natural and comes for everyone eventually.

Also, if you got hit with I gun that big I don't think there would be much time to suffer.

[–] fiat_lux@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

Perhaps I should clarify, actively causing death is what I struggle with. At what point does adding to death cause less deaths? How do we determine that? Even if we are able to somehow cause those deaths to be as painless and targetted as possible, it still causes suffering and inspires revenge from their family and friends. Under what circumstances do we justify it?

I haven't found an answer I'm satisfied with yet that doesn't somehow require clairvoyance.

[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fascists: Interrupting drag shows since 1938!

[–] Black616Angel@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago

Actually ~~not~~ it's complicated.
Fascinating as it may sound, transvestites were mostly allowed in the third reich, when they weren't homosexual.

The even got their own pass:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transvestite_pass

After reading the German and English version I am a little puzzled, since the German version says, that they were kept and transvestites stayed unharmed when not homosexual while the English version says:

After the Nazis came to power, most passes were revoked or German police refused to recognize them.

The German original source says the following:

Sofern Trans*personen den „gegen sie erhobenen Homosexualitätsverdacht entkräften konnten, lässt sich in keinem Fall eine Strafverfolgung nachweisen. "

Which translates to:

If trans*persons "could invalidate the suspicion of homosexuality, there is no evidence of criminal prosecution."

[–] Holodeck_Moriarty@lemm.ee 19 points 1 year ago

This is somehow more intimidating than uniforms.

[–] CheeseAndCrepes@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

I think it should be law that folks in drag are allowed to shoot nazis. Whether it’s actual members of national socialism or just anyone who gets too loose drawing swastikas.

[–] Granite@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago

When drag queens were men.

Wait…

[–] poopypants205@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

I’m proud to upvote this.

[–] sorebuttfromsitting@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

this is confusing. what happened?

[–] skulblaka@kbin.social 31 points 1 year ago (2 children)

1940, some British soldiers were rehearsing for a drag show that they were putting on within their platoon because they could and because it was fun, it helps keep morale up during wartime. During rehearsal, the Germans begin their raid on Shornemead Fort, where said drag rehearsing troops were stationed. British Chads, without even stopping to change back into uniform, immediately man the naval guns and return fire on the Germans. One of them, instead of passing the ammo, took a photo of this because how could you not, it's incredible.

[–] Kruemel@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago

Thanks for context. Here some examplary "source", shornemead fort brings up alot in search. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/british-soldiers-in-drag-nazis/

yes, thank you for the context

[–] Wanderer@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Drag shows then seem different to drag shows now.

The joke is that is it men in drag. It's funny. I dressed as a woman on a rugby trip and got voted as best girl on tour. It was a funny humourous thing. In the way man play the evil ugly woman in a panto. "Lol jokes. That "woman" is so ugly she sounds and looks like a man."

Drag shows where the drag part of it is normalised. That ruins the entire original premise. That why it is entirely different.

It's the difference between a comedian playing a character that pretends to be disabled (the joke being the audience knows they aren't disabled and they are just lazy. The other characters do not). Verses an actor pretending to be disabled in a drama.

Same thing but entirely different.

[–] Smorty@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So what's up with Nazi stuff currently? Why's that a topic?

[–] littlecolt@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

We just love to discuss how awful Nazis are. Don't you agree?

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