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[-] stanford@discuss.as200950.com 5 points 1 year ago

I bet his instances will be one of the few actually federating with them 😔

[-] ericflo@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Again, another thread where two billion people joining our network and meeting us where we are ... is somehow bad. If embrace extend extinguish is really the worry, then we have a bad protocol that needs extension to be usable by those 2B people, and we should fix that.

[-] jerkface@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

If embrace extend extinguish is really the worry, then...

What follows is a non sequitur.

[-] ericflo@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Extension implies that the protocol is missing some capability, otherwise it wouldn't need to be extended. So we need to make the protocol better so they have nothing to add. If we don't add those capabilities, ever, then the protocol is doomed to eventual irrelevance and wasn't worth fighting over anyway.

[-] maynarkh@feddit.nl 4 points 1 year ago

Word is literally extended with intentional bugs, extensions will be arbitrary.

We can't add those capabilities, because they will also be proprietary and under copyright or patent. If you try, Meta will just sue you for the lolz.

EEE is not about outcompeting someone.

[-] jerkface@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You're assuming some kind of objective point of view, but there are competing interests involved here. Those "capabilities" need not be things that are in the interest of the end users. For example, DRM, micropayments to unlock content, region coding, state censorship, etc etc etc. Bullshit that capital uses to exploit humans.

The protocol might well be complete and need no "extension" (as you mean the word) for us, and yet Meta might have many things they want to extend it to do. The whole point of this is, we have conflicting interests. Meta can push things that are not in their users interests because they have leverage. They hold our friends and their content hostage. And they lie and manipulate their users, who simply don't care about things like this. Your idea that we are talking about our protocol vs their extensions competing on merits that appeal to users is just totally missunderstanding the objections.

I think you are getting too hung up on the term EEE. You think you know what the individual words mean, so you know what it's all about. But a name is not the thing it represents. It's just a name for a complex strategy that has been used successfully against us many times in the past. Rather than quibbling with the definition, you should probably spend some time reading the history.

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