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[–] TheLoneMinon@lemmy.world 22 points 4 days ago (4 children)

One thing I'm noticing in these comments, and in a lot of comments threads is the "well yeah, duh. Everyone already knew that" and while I'm definitely in that camp and have done that myself, I am starting to wonder if there is danger there.

Like, this is a significant breach of privacy and trust and the kind of thing that we should be up in arms about. But we already assume the government is doing the worst movie villain shit imaginable, so when we have evidence of it we shrug it off as just another Tuesday.

Yeah, waters wet. We should still be alarmed when we see a puddle of it somewhere it shouldn't be. (I don't know if that analogy actually tracks but I'm sticking with it).

[–] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 days ago

You're not wrong, but these days the number of members of the public that truly cares (to point of taking action) about privacy is an extreme minority.

[–] KingPorkChop@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 days ago

I think you can just assume at this point the US government does not care about the constitution or it's people and will use any means necessary to collect data on those who wish to counter its growing authoritarian nature.

If you go to a protest, only take a burner phone or no phone at all. If you must take your phone, turn it off and Faraday cage it.

The US has become a failed state. Leave if you can. Things will only get worse before it completely implodes.

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[–] super_user_do@feddit.it 29 points 4 days ago (7 children)

and they criticize china for this bruh

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 days ago

Reminds me of:

Samsung: "Apple Bad! They removed headphone jack and the charging brick."

Also Samsung one year later: "sAvE tHe eNvIrOnMeNt 🤡"

[–] spicehoarder@lemmy.zip 6 points 4 days ago

Remember, they were really just admiring them 🫠

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[–] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 155 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Even though most of the comments here point out the obvious that phones are a risk, this kind of journalism is still important for spreading awareness and documentation of illegal surveillance for the record

[–] kautau@lemmy.world 34 points 5 days ago (47 children)

Yeah lemmy is mostly a left echo chamber, which is generally a net positive. But someone like my cousin who still gets their news from Facebook but might want to protest now they are thinking about their views would benefit from this journalism

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[–] Tracaine@lemmy.world 182 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

I mean...is that not assumed to be the default? Cell phone surveillance is pretty much just business as usual in this country is it not?

[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 134 points 5 days ago (13 children)

This is illegal without a warrant. And judges have been denying broad sweeping warrants that would cover such situations.

[–] Pulsar@lemmy.world 113 points 5 days ago (2 children)

We are in different times. This administration doesn't care about warrants.

[–] Anahkiasen@lemmy.blahaj.zone 92 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

It honestly doesn't care about "illegal" much either 😅

Edit: for themselves of course! Everyone else...

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[–] Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 44 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

pardon me, sir, but this is illegal withou-

click

hey! Uncuff me! This is illegal!

car door shuts

Hey! Let me out of this car!

vroooooom

Where are we going!? You can't take me to jail!

arrives at jail

Dear family, they call this place prison, it looks like prison, and I've been issued what they're calling a "lawyer", but impossible as that may be considering they didn't have a warrant, I can only deduce that I've been kidnapped by a vigilante to a remote location pretending to be a prison!

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 27 points 5 days ago

Relying on the rule of law is reactive.

Ditching the phone is proactive.

Be Proactive.

[–] micka190@lemmy.world 32 points 5 days ago

Pretty sure this kind of thing has been illegal since before Edward Snowden became a whistleblower, tbh. The US Government hasn't cared about people's privacy and the laws surrounding it for decades.

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[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 104 points 5 days ago (3 children)

once again.

do not take your phone to a protest

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 22 points 5 days ago (2 children)

And if you must, leave it off, ideally in a faraday cage/bag.

[–] ZeffSyde@lemmy.world 23 points 5 days ago (2 children)

: takes off face and puts it in faraday cage:

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 13 points 5 days ago

And cover your damn face.

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[–] KbSez@piefed.social 146 points 5 days ago (9 children)

If you attend a protest, you need to read this and follow it:

https://ssd.eff.org/module/attending-protest

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[–] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 74 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (11 children)

Please dont take your fucking phone to a protest. Buy a burner if you must.

You will be tracked. And spied on. And facial recognitioned. Etc.

[–] lemmy_acct_id_8647@lemmy.world 19 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I honestly thought this was common knowledge but obviously I was wrong. I get the need to video and document but damn. Don’t use your daily driver folks.

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[–] ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 42 points 5 days ago (6 children)

So basically, one could go to ICE protest and troll with fake conversations about attack points and watch them scatter to control nonexistent issues.

[–] modus@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago

"Free Donuts, corner of 12th & Main. Tell no one."

[–] Auth@lemmy.world 18 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Yes, but they would probably arrest you instead.

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[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 15 points 5 days ago (1 children)

better be VERY coded language that a jury would agree is innocent in nature and intent.

Brave to think this will go before a jury.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 14 points 5 days ago

might be better to have a bunch of gibberish with a few named places.

They might think it's code and deploy there, and you're not actually making a legitimate threat they could come after you for somehow.

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[–] Capricorn_Geriatric@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Exclusive BREAKING NEWS: After careful consideration by the World's top scientists from 1000+ top Universities, it turns out that WATER, H2O, the Wet Wet is, in fact, wet.

[–] MBech@feddit.dk 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

No fucking way! I'm gonna need about 100 articles about that, all explaining the exact same thing, but slightly too dumbed down to the point that it doesn't actually tell me anything.

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[–] pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 5 days ago

I mean who doesn't know this cmon

[–] hiramfromthechi@lemmy.world 34 points 5 days ago (2 children)
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[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 20 points 5 days ago

IMSI catchers. It's known at least for 10 years now, that they get used on protests in US.

[–] cashsky@sh.itjust.works 17 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Could AI be used to create a bunch of useless chatter in the airways that they would have to sift through and waste their time? Maybe use AI for actual good.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

IMSI spoofing is a product of wireless telephony being an ancient (way-pre-internet) technology, and we're long in an era where law enforcement (or in this case law-enforcement coded) investigators don't have to obey laws, such as assuring due process, and unreasonable searches disqualifying evidence. Instead they're hunting political enemies, and every prisoner of the United States is now a political prisoner.

It also means we don't have to obey the law, and can start using all-frequency jammers in and around protests and ICE actions to level the playing field. (It will also interfere with regular infrastructure, but it's not like ICE or the current regime gives half a fuck about that.

All-frequency jammers are older tech and easier to build than IMSI spoofers, and are highly illegal since so much of our commerce and communications depend on radio. But the current [FCC] has also been captured and is failing to do its job.

Any Amateur Radio enthusiast will know how to make a jammer. And current battery technology would assure you could make a handful that are portable and powerful enough to shut down blocks and blocks of municipal communication. This is playing pretty hardball, but then ICE isn't playing by the rules.

[–] Sawblade02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 4 days ago (3 children)

From an RF enthusiast,

Wideband jamming will get a lot of attention very quickly and is extremely easy to triangulate with handheld hardware and a couple of hours of training. I'd recommended against doing that.

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[–] toast@retrolemmy.com 28 points 5 days ago (2 children)

You probably wouldn't want to bring a phone to some types of events, but as the number of these events increase, the odds of you just happening to be close to such an event during the course of a normal day might increase. Maybe it's best if we turn off 2g reception on our phones. No reason to be swept up in warrantless sweeps if not necessary.

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[–] Hux@lemmy.ml 19 points 5 days ago

I wonder if it would be possible to extend the capabilities of the software to triangulate the location of a a Stingray or other false tower with a few more of those devices working in concert in the same area.

[–] jeromyokc@lemmy.okla.social 4 points 4 days ago

Saw a job posting yesterday to assist a contractor with installing a system used by police to monitor school camera feeds directly "to support law enforcement". jesus fuck man

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