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[–] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 156 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Even though most of the comments here point out the obvious that phones are a risk, this kind of journalism is still important for spreading awareness and documentation of illegal surveillance for the record

[–] kautau@lemmy.world 34 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Yeah lemmy is mostly a left echo chamber, which is generally a net positive. But someone like my cousin who still gets their news from Facebook but might want to protest now they are thinking about their views would benefit from this journalism

[–] Soggy@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago (21 children)

Eh, it's a center-left chamber at best. As evidenced by the extreme reaction to the far-left echo chambers.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 19 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (13 children)

Disagree, it's pretty far left. Reddit was center-left, this is where those too far left for Reddit came as it shifted a little to the right with the top-down reaction to the API change.

You refer to .ml, but that's not really left, it's a tankie instance, which is closer to fascism than socialism. I see far more people on Lemmy idolizing communism/socialism than any other extreme ideology.

[–] Soggy@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago (5 children)

You're oversimplifying (and so was I, to be totally fair). The Reddit exodus has lots of reasons. I think it has more to do with one's thoughts on corporatization and technocultural knowledge which does correlate with left-leaning politics. I'm sure there are many who are just sick of platforms giving Trumpists tacit approval (I think this is the primary driver for people leaving twitter) but that Venn diagram is not a perfect circle.

.ml has tankies, and there's plenty of fair criticism to direct at Dessalines and the mod team for generally cultivating a culture of knee-jerk anti-Western thought (and the inverse, more importantly) but it's not "closer to fascism" because it leans authoritarian and drapes itself in USSR/CCP aesthetic. But it's mostly a FOSS instance with well-deserved bashing of US imperialism and state-sponsored terrorism.

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[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 11 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (7 children)

Democratic market socialism is a perfectly moderate ideology (too moderate, because often it lets the market win over and the democracy decay). You can also consider weekends, paid leave, women's vote, public education, healthcare, public media and social security as socialist policies. It is one of the main political currents founding the EU and in South America. Only in the US is it used to describe radicals or as an insult.

I'm even reluctant to point this out to magats now, because they never get the point and may even get it in their head that these are the things to destroy wherever they exist, just because they're socialist in origin.

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[–] TheLoneMinon@lemmy.world 23 points 5 days ago (4 children)

One thing I'm noticing in these comments, and in a lot of comments threads is the "well yeah, duh. Everyone already knew that" and while I'm definitely in that camp and have done that myself, I am starting to wonder if there is danger there.

Like, this is a significant breach of privacy and trust and the kind of thing that we should be up in arms about. But we already assume the government is doing the worst movie villain shit imaginable, so when we have evidence of it we shrug it off as just another Tuesday.

Yeah, waters wet. We should still be alarmed when we see a puddle of it somewhere it shouldn't be. (I don't know if that analogy actually tracks but I'm sticking with it).

[–] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 days ago

You're not wrong, but these days the number of members of the public that truly cares (to point of taking action) about privacy is an extreme minority.

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[–] super_user_do@feddit.it 30 points 5 days ago (9 children)

and they criticize china for this bruh

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 7 points 5 days ago

Reminds me of:

Samsung: "Apple Bad! They removed headphone jack and the charging brick."

Also Samsung one year later: "sAvE tHe eNvIrOnMeNt 🤡"

[–] spicehoarder@lemmy.zip 6 points 5 days ago

Remember, they were really just admiring them 🫠

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[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 104 points 6 days ago (3 children)

once again.

do not take your phone to a protest

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 22 points 6 days ago (2 children)

And if you must, leave it off, ideally in a faraday cage/bag.

[–] ZeffSyde@lemmy.world 23 points 6 days ago (2 children)

: takes off face and puts it in faraday cage:

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 13 points 6 days ago

And cover your damn face.

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[–] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 74 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (11 children)

Please dont take your fucking phone to a protest. Buy a burner if you must.

You will be tracked. And spied on. And facial recognitioned. Etc.

[–] lemmy_acct_id_8647@lemmy.world 19 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I honestly thought this was common knowledge but obviously I was wrong. I get the need to video and document but damn. Don’t use your daily driver folks.

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[–] ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 43 points 6 days ago (6 children)

So basically, one could go to ICE protest and troll with fake conversations about attack points and watch them scatter to control nonexistent issues.

[–] modus@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago

"Free Donuts, corner of 12th & Main. Tell no one."

[–] Auth@lemmy.world 18 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Yes, but they would probably arrest you instead.

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[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 15 points 6 days ago (1 children)

better be VERY coded language that a jury would agree is innocent in nature and intent.

Brave to think this will go before a jury.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago

might be better to have a bunch of gibberish with a few named places.

They might think it's code and deploy there, and you're not actually making a legitimate threat they could come after you for somehow.

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[–] Capricorn_Geriatric@lemmy.world 15 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

Exclusive BREAKING NEWS: After careful consideration by the World's top scientists from 1000+ top Universities, it turns out that WATER, H2O, the Wet Wet is, in fact, wet.

[–] MBech@feddit.dk 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

No fucking way! I'm gonna need about 100 articles about that, all explaining the exact same thing, but slightly too dumbed down to the point that it doesn't actually tell me anything.

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[–] pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 6 days ago

I mean who doesn't know this cmon

[–] hiramfromthechi@lemmy.world 34 points 6 days ago (2 children)
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[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 20 points 6 days ago

IMSI catchers. It's known at least for 10 years now, that they get used on protests in US.

[–] cashsky@sh.itjust.works 17 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Could AI be used to create a bunch of useless chatter in the airways that they would have to sift through and waste their time? Maybe use AI for actual good.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

IMSI spoofing is a product of wireless telephony being an ancient (way-pre-internet) technology, and we're long in an era where law enforcement (or in this case law-enforcement coded) investigators don't have to obey laws, such as assuring due process, and unreasonable searches disqualifying evidence. Instead they're hunting political enemies, and every prisoner of the United States is now a political prisoner.

It also means we don't have to obey the law, and can start using all-frequency jammers in and around protests and ICE actions to level the playing field. (It will also interfere with regular infrastructure, but it's not like ICE or the current regime gives half a fuck about that.

All-frequency jammers are older tech and easier to build than IMSI spoofers, and are highly illegal since so much of our commerce and communications depend on radio. But the current [FCC] has also been captured and is failing to do its job.

Any Amateur Radio enthusiast will know how to make a jammer. And current battery technology would assure you could make a handful that are portable and powerful enough to shut down blocks and blocks of municipal communication. This is playing pretty hardball, but then ICE isn't playing by the rules.

[–] Sawblade02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 5 days ago (3 children)

From an RF enthusiast,

Wideband jamming will get a lot of attention very quickly and is extremely easy to triangulate with handheld hardware and a couple of hours of training. I'd recommended against doing that.

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[–] Hux@lemmy.ml 19 points 6 days ago

I wonder if it would be possible to extend the capabilities of the software to triangulate the location of a a Stingray or other false tower with a few more of those devices working in concert in the same area.

[–] m3t00@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

if you've ever used a radar detector you know, people drive like they are always being watched. not often in my experience. doubt these dolts are real sophisticated. fear is their main weapon.

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[–] jeromyokc@lemmy.okla.social 4 points 5 days ago

Saw a job posting yesterday to assist a contractor with installing a system used by police to monitor school camera feeds directly "to support law enforcement". jesus fuck man

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