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"Every day Biden chooses to fund genocide, he loses support," said Sunrise Movement.

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[–] DaMonsterKnees@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean, sure, but what are we gonna do, vote for Kang?

[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Implement RCV, slay the 2-party system

[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Except the people who we need to implement it are rewarded by the duopoly

[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I can't find Biden's position on it, but the Obama administration he served in supported RCV. Democrats generally support RCV, Republicans explicitly oppose it. Many red states have outright banned it.

[–] SilentStorms@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It won't happen. Here in Canada where we have a healthier multi-party system, electoral reform was a Liberal party platform right up until they got elected, where it swiftly died. There's no way the Democrats don't do the same.

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[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

They don’t think that far ahead.

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[–] SkepticalButOpenMinded@lemmy.ca 33 points 1 year ago (4 children)

From the perspective of realpolitik, I’m not convinced abandoning support for Israel will win him more votes from pro-Palestine groups than he loses from pro-Israel groups. Lots of moderate Americans support Israel implicitly.

Either way, it’s politically costly with no upside for him. I think Biden’s only hope on this file is for the Gaza war to end quickly before the next election, but I don’t see that happening. Looks like Israel’s plan is an indefinite multi-year occupation of Gaza under an authoritarian police state.

[–] silverbax@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If you asked the average American what the difference was between Palestine, Hamas, Hezbollah and AL Queda, they wouldn't know. I'm not saying that's a good thing, but there sure are a lot of media articles that seem to be based on an American populace that doesn't match up to their logic.

[–] Poteryashka@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In the perspective of realpolitik, he's fucked anyways. He's down >10 points with young voters, and currently below Trump in swing states polling (just 1 so far, could be meaningless as a metric, but still relevant). DNC will support Israel because they're a major political donor. The Ds went too hard to fast early in this conflict and it's too late to backpedal. He'll have to try really hard to either try to win back the young votes, or appeal to the moderates and never-Trump Republicans.

This whole election cycle is bizarre, nobody wants neither Trump nor Biden. Their favorability is abysmal, one's about to go to jail while the other appears to be half dead. I honestly wish we had decent 3rd party infrastructure and rank choice voting, but I don't think we'll be breaking through this 2 party bs this cycle.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago

If a third party stood any chance for president, this coming election would be the one. However, I wouldn't advise anyone to do so unless you really don't have the slightest preference somehow. There isn't a chance, it's just better than every other time but still 0.

[–] Doorbook@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe looking for ceasefire? Accountability of how Isreal use billions of dollars? Maybe Nato can go there and slowly stop hamas with targetd attack?

There are a lot of options the biggest military in the world can decide on, and yet he doesn't show any sign of compassion or remorse of innocent human life.

[–] Pips@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Just FYI Israel isn't in NATO, though it is part of the Mediterranean Dialogue.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Electioneering a genocide will surely work in his favor.

I think neither will work in his favor politically. But honestly, given what I know about the American electorate, I unfortunately suspect that "pro-genocide" may be politically safer.

[–] Marin_Rider@aussie.zone 28 points 1 year ago (4 children)

sure, they will all go vote for... the other guy with the exact same stance except even worse?

stupid claim

[–] Emma_Gold_Man@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The third party (probably the Greens). Or not vote at all when they otherwise would have - that still means a lost vote for Biden. Young voters tend to be far less willing to accept the compromises imposed by first past the post voting systems.

The threat to Democrats is real.

[–] capital@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (15 children)

Those people are stupid and will only make things worse for themselves.

If they do withhold votes which gets the Republican nominee elected, they’ll probably come to regret it if they have two brain cells to rub together.

People said for years to stop fucking around or we’ll lose abortion rights. Well….

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[–] JiveTurkey@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Or they will vote for no one like I've seen so many do in the past. Stupid claim.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

A-fucking-men.

They do this shit because they know they have us by the short hairs. "What are you going to do, vote for the actual fascists? You're going to vote for Mr.Corposhill bombyMcBombsalesman and like it."

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[–] unconsciousvoidling@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago (56 children)

So by not voting for Biden you’ll get trump. Trump just wants to ban all Muslims… so yea… good luck with that.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

So by taking voters for granted you lose them. Condescend more, it will never stop working.

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[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

So, are they going to vote for a federal abortion ban, fascism, a hot civil war, and rollbacks of everything even marginally progressive?

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