If new hires are getting paid more than you, it's time to become one of them
this post was submitted on 10 Nov 2023
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I recently quit my job over this exact thing. I am (was) the highest producer in my department for a certain metal part in my whole department. My department consisted of 4 different machines and ran 3 shifts. The next highest producer in my department might have 70 to 75% of my production for the year. I found out one lazy ass, who's output is less than half of mine, makes a dollar more that me.
If you find out that you're being underpaid, one of those options you should be considering is unionizing.
AEGIS-CWA loves sonic union memes btw
@Persona3Reload how much money do you make a year?
Big plot twist, vatniksplatnik is a coworker with Persona3Reload!
Tree fiddy.
Is this what the kids call an "own"?
Found out this past summer a new coworker fresh from school was making close to my salary (I have 10 years of experience). Short of it I got a promotion and salary increase out of it, wouldn't have been able to expedite it if I hadn't had that talk with the new coworker!
I love memes where Sonic gives advice regarding basic rights.
Sadly, my contract prohibits discussing pay since it was written before the law that disallowed employers from including such clauses was a thing. Stuck with it until they have to alter my contract for any reason.
Sounds like an unenforceable clause.
Don't get me wrong, I still do it anyway. However I can't do so as openly as I'd like other use they can and will cause a stink about it (as they've done in the past when I wasn't careful enough with who I discussed it with)
Where a contract entered into before 7 December 2022 has pay secrecy terms that are inconsistent with these rights, and the contract is changed after 7 December 2022, these rights apply after the contract is changed.
Wait are you Australian?
Because I don’t know where that quote is from, but that’s the date that Australia updated its laws to ban pay secrecy clauses. But the text there doesn’t look correct based on my memory from the time. I read the legislation back when it first passed, and my understanding was that:
- From the date the bill became law, having a pay secrecy clause in any new contract would be illegal, regardless of whether or not there was ever an attempt to enforce it.
- From the date the bill became law, pay secrecy clauses in any existing contracts should be considered unenforceable, and thus it would be illegal to attempt to enforce them.
Indeed I am, however that quote was taken from Fairwork (https://www.fairwork.gov.au/pay-and-wages/pay-secrecy), which is hope is correct considering it's the main government sure for these sorts of things ahahaha. It's under the "When these rights apply" section.
I also variety remember looking at the legislature itself at the time and coming to the same conclusion.
Yeah that text seems very misleading based on my reading of the legislation (PDF link).
333C
A term of a fair work instrument or a contract of employment has no effect to the extent that the term would be inconsistent with subsection 333B(1) or (2) (about employee rights relating to pay secrecy).
333D
An employer contravenes this section if:
(a) the employer enters into a contract of employment or other written agreement with an employee; and
(b) the contract or agreement includes a term that is inconsistent with subsection 333B(1) or (2) (about employee rights relating to pay secrecy).
The term in the contract that says you may not disclose payment information "has no effect". The only thing about December 2022 that's relevant is that the employer hasn't contravened the law by having a contract older than that with such a term in it; the term still has no effect (i.e., it would be illegal to enforce).
333C would seem to indicate that you are correct, however as it pertains to me making a living, it's not something I'm entirely willing to test out, even if losing my minimum salary job wouldn't exactly be the end of the world.
In any case, the fact that it was legal up until less than a year ago is egregious.
the fact that it was legal up until less than a year ago is egregious
Yeah it really sucks.
There actually was a Bill before the Senate for years under the LNP government, brought by Larissa Waters of the Greens. Unfortunately the LNP almost never scheduled it any time for debate, and never scheduled it for a second reading vote. From the brief debate on it, we did get a picture of the attitudes towards the issue of the two main parties.
The LNP rejected the idea entirely. They don't think pay secrecy clauses should be outlawed at all, and spent the vast majority of their time in debate ignoring the issue entirely, instead talking about other policies of the LNP.
Labor said it's good in theory, but noted concerns with the way the Greens Bill had been drafted which would mean it may not have had the desired effect. Rather than working with the Greens on an amendment, they spent the majority of their debate time emphasising how terrible the Greens are for having those flaws in their Bill, and how it means the Greens shouldn't be taken seriously compared to Labor. It's a pretty typical approach by Labor. They have a big case of NIH Syndrome, because they want to pass a Bill of their own and take the credit for themselves, rather than work with other parties to achieve a great outcome as soon as possible.
In other words, the 3 parties acting as they always do😐