Orville was amazing, everything I remember trek being from my childhood. Weirdly I rewatch that childhood trek now and it isn't what I remember.... But Orville does it right.
this post was submitted on 10 Nov 2023
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Seth hates Disney, so doubt a 4 will ever happen. What I do hope will happen is he comes up with another Orville like show on another platform.
I am decidedly not a Trekkie.
I love every single one of the movies since 2009 (there is one I take issue with, bit it's relatively minor) and every single one of the new shows. I've never seen any of the old shows and they hold absolutely no interest for me.
Having said that, I love Discovery. It is an absolutely fantastic show.
Strange New worlds is among one of the best sci-fi shows I've ever watched. It is absolutely fantastic and Anson Mount is utterly fantastic.
For me, the Orville is a window into old Star Trek. I absolutely love The Orville. The way that it touches on difficult subjects is done so beautifully that I can't even begin to gush about how perfect it is. The moclan arc with topa and the follow-ups were so wonderfully done. As a cis white guy, I can't think of a better way to handle and portray these situations and how important they are than the way the Orville did.
It is my personal opinion that the biggest enemies of Star Trek are it's hardcore fans. You guys shit on everything that isn't old Star Trek and you make it so that new viewers are less likely to check out the shows. You like to crap all over Discovery without understanding that is actually a really good show. It's also a really good way to bring people like myself that could give a shit less about Star Trek into the universe so that I'm more likely to check out other shows like strange New worlds for example which is about the best representation of what Star Trek is that we're ever going to get.
That said I do have one major gripe. Beasty boys? JJ Lim, are you fucking stupid? The movie was great up until that point, and then you chose the dumbest way to close it out. How the fuck did this get out of table reading? What the actual absolute fuck?
I blame Discovery and Picard. I tried watching Discovery the other day. I desperately tried, you guys. I quit - and I won't be watching Picard. I reject the callous and hamfisted writing, so I've personally rejected it as cannon at this point.
Star Trek Shorts was kind of okay, and Brave New World was definitely a step in the right direction. I'll watch that soon because I'm rewatching most of the shows in chronological order (based on this IMDB list). Also, Prodigy is actually pretty great. I'm glad it didn't get cancelled. It's a kids show, but the Prodigy writers show they actually care.
But my god. The writers for Discovery and Picard really screwed the pooch. I won't even blame direction or acting, like at all. What I blame is the paint by numbers forced progressivism, which pisses me off, because it shouldn't feel forced. It's Star Trek FFS. It used to be the platform for progressive subjects.
Star Trek has been a playground for masters of the powerplay, for subtext, allusion and theme. It was a progressive platform already, but did so through writing methods which has been employed by writers for thousands of years to convey stories and characters, tried and true methods that yield good quality story telling. All of that went out the window with Discovery and Picard. The writing in those shows is the storytelling equivalent of smashing the square through the circle shape.
When it comes to the Orville? It shows that McFarlane really has a love for Star Trek and that he could have helped to modernize it, in a much better way than what the production team did with Discovery and Picard. But much like with the Flintstone's reboot, he got shafted. But at least he got bawled out by Tucker in Enterprise while playing the role of an enson. So he's apart of cannon in some way?
Can you elaborate on what "forced" means?
"Contrived" is a better word I guess. I don't feel like many of the arcs have been fleshed out, leading to conclusions that are ill deserved Burnham as a character arc is a perfect example of this. I think she gets everything served to her on a silver platter, that the action setpieces are not enough to justify the order of things. This might be an issue with cutting for time, but still.
Ok but why is being served everything on a silver platter "contrived progressivism"? You mean because the actress is black?
What does Burnham get served to her?
I loved season 1 and 2, i just hope 4 will be better than 3
Ah, glad it wasn't just me who thought 1 & 2 were better than 3. 😅
You are not alone!
Really? Season three is where I really thought Seth toned down the dick and fart jokes and started focusing on what made ST amazing. The whole left behind story where Gordon is trapped for long enough in the past that he has a whole family he has to leave behind was heartbreaking and exactly the sort of storyline that made me love TNG in the first place.
At least Picard learned to play the flute.
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I always forget The Orville exists and that I've been meaning to watch it, so I'll go and watch an episode and enjoy it, but the handful of episodes I've seen are just enjoyable fluff. They don't stick with me at all, and I feel no compulsion to keep watching. When does it get compelling?
The first few episodes were indeed rough, but by the end of season 1 it becomes the star trek youve been craving.
It doesn’t. The episodes just get longer and more boring as the show progresses. The cancellation isn’t exactly a mystery.