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[–] doccitrus@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I made a comment about this on another post that's now unlinkable because the post has been deleted.

I suspect the quote is not just misattributed, but maliciously so, given its sudden appearance with a purportedly anti-Zionist framing, thus associating anti-Zionism with 'extermination'.

While Che never said that, the speech mentioned in the image here is real (though not given at the date mentioned in the image), and it does address colonialism. It even mentions Palestine! You can find the full text of it online.

[–] carlesmu@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Other peoples are shedding their blood to win the rights we have. When we send our greetings from here, and from all the conferences and the places where they may be held, to the heroic peoples of Vietnam, Laos, so-called Portuguese Guinea, South Africa, or Palestine — to all exploited countries fighting for their emancipation — we must simultaneously extend our voice of friendship, our hand and our encouragement, to our fraternal peoples in Venezuela, Guatemala and Colombia, who today, arms in hand, are resolutely saying “No!” to the imperialist enemy.

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[–] Alunyanners@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

this feels more like what mao would say instead honestly than che "revolutionaries are guided by love" guevara.

[–] sovietsnake@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well... Mao is the one who wanted to reeducate the last emperor so I wouldn't say that exactly portrays Mao.

[–] Alunyanners@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

......despite saying "communism is the weapon used to crush the enemy" and how it's not really love, in contrast to che/castro?

[–] juchenecromancer@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Communism is not love. It is a hammer we use to crush our balls. -Mao Zedong

[–] Leninismydad@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 1 year ago

Engels came to me in my dreams and told me cbt was the only way to free the proletariat.

[–] doccitrus@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I kinda see what you mean in that Mao is confrontational and that one of his innovations in dialectics is an emphasis on destruction in the resolution of contradictions (rather than just thinking of sublation almost as a form of incorporation, or perhaps of synthesis as primary/only way for dialectical contradictions to resolve).

But there are a lot of ways to defeat (or even 'crush') a collective enemy, including in violent conflict, far short of extermination! I don't think Mao's ideological combativeness or record as a military leader should (or can, really) be mistaken for the kind of raw bloodlust we can recognize in a call to 'exterminate'.

[–] sovietsnake@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Heraclitus speaks of war as that which creates birth, because to him it portrayed death and so it can be understood as the antithesis of life.

[–] simply_surprise@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I've never been able to find a source for Mao's "communism is a hammer" quote when I've looked. I kind of think it might be misattributed as well!

[–] Aru@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] CyberGhost@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No that he didn’t say it or no that it is not misattributed?

[–] Aru@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 1 year ago

he didn't say that