In universe? Inaros. I don't know if Kai Winn's crimes ever gets the same widespread attention.
But in every other way Kai Winn is the worst. Fuck Kai Winn. All my homies hate Kai Winn.
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Yeah, in-universe, Winn was a true patriot in the Bajoran resistance against the Cardassians.
She was absolutely an insufferable c-word and ultimately undone by her rampant ambition and desire for recognition; she was a terrible, terrIble person, but was not responsible for the deaths of millions (granted, she ultimately would have been, at least in part, if not for Sisko).
Inaros comes off much more like a mustache twirler. He's utterly uncaring about life in general. Maybe Winn could have reached his level of despicable and worthiness for removal from the land of living, but by both of their ends, Inaros wins the universal shitbag award by far.
All that said, while I'd more readily rid the universe of Inaros, it would feel like removing a tumor. I'd have a celebratory pile of hasperat and spring wine over Winn's departure.
Just looking at this picture makes me too upset to answer.
I don't know who the GV Kylo Ren is on the right but If you hand me a phaser with two shots and these two were locked with me in a runabout id shoot Wynn twice.
Guy on the right has the biggest (fictional) body-count in human history. Dude gravity-strikes earth (adjusting asteroid orbits so they'll fall into earth's gravity well) killing billions and destroying earths ability to support life for tens of thousands of years. Then acts like it makes him the greatest freedom fighter ever.
He does this in a world where earth is still the only place where agriculture is reliably possible at scale, billions more would have died from the food shortage. Literally the only reason humanity survives his bullshit is that it happens to discover FTL gates and other life-supporting planets right at the same time.
Winn is bad. Marco is objectively a thousand times worse. He would have genocided his own species to stroke his ego.
The expanse.
I highly recommend if you like low sci fi with lots of attention paid to realism.
I've been seeing that show mentioned a lot since Starfield, which supposedly has a similar vibe. I should probably check it out at some point.
As someone who was a bit underwhelmed with starfield, it’s way better lol.
For example: gravity generators don’t exist, ships are essentially large skyscrapers with a big thruster underneath. Gravity is created only by accelerating the ship, and decelerating a vessel is done by essentially turning the ship around 180 degrees and firing the thrust in the opposite direction. G-forces are also non trivial. Pilots are known to pass out or even die from flying too recklessly.
Warfare is also very similar to modern day doctrines, weapons are torpedos and missiles with computer-guided point defense cannons as defensive measure against them. Larger ships have a railgun or two, energy shields don’t exist. Getting hit by a railgun shot or torpedo usually spells doom for any ship.
Should you choose to watch the show, this is the initial setting: mankind has developed a very fuel efficient method of propulsion, and used it to colonize Mars and build mining habitats near asteroids.
Earth suffers from a resource shortage and overpopulation, and Mars has declared itself an independent nation. They are technologically more advanced than the complacent earth, but far fewer in numbers. They are also very nationalistic and militaristic.
The third faction is made up of the belters, a term for the humans who live aboard the mining habitats in the asteroid belt. The long time in space has made it difficult to impossible for them to live within planetary gravity. They are largely marginalized and exploited by both larger powers for resources.
Oh yeah, I could tell from the positive tone about The Expanse that it was better than the low bar that is Starfield! Is sounds like it might be so realistic that it's depressing.
The setting is kinda depressing, but the story follows a group of characters who are trying to make some positive changes in the world, though they sometimes disagree on what that means. So you don't have to think about the literal billions of people living in poverty on Earth, because the only Earther characters that matter in the story are the ones who escaped from the poverty
Marco has so much charisma. A huge part of his insidiousness is just how charming he is. There are points you almost wonder if he's really the bad guy.
On the other hand, Winn isn't as charming, she's not particularly sympathetic for most of the series. She's kinda just hubristic and antagonistic, and isn't very good at pretending to care about anything other than her own power grabs.
Plus she's way less hot.
Plus she's way less hot
Agree to disagree 🫠
Inaros is a psychopath, a dangerous egomaniac, and just a straight up dick.
But Winn is just the worst.
It could get worse:
Winn is an annoyance compared to Inaros. Winn you could give a good beating, and it'd be satisfying.
You could do the same to Inaros, but then there'd be billions in line to do it next.
my brain is frozen by sheer hate
"Klaes, there's room in the airlock for two, correct? We don't need to cycle the air twice?"
I was tempted to merge Kai Winn with the real main villain from HP.
Why have you done this? Would you kindly kill it with fire?
As you wish.
Maybe it's because I didn't read the books but Inaro was underwhelming in general. Like I was supposed to care about how big of a threat he is but his character was so cartoonish.