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[–] smuuthbrane@sh.itjust.works 203 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Summary: YOUR Ph.D. means almost next to nothing, but collectively they expand the bounds of human knowledge.

[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 81 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Do you have to live so relentlessly in reality?

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 27 points 11 months ago (2 children)
[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 7 points 11 months ago

Sometimes I wonder.

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[–] smuuthbrane@sh.itjust.works 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)

As a parent to five, yes. All shall join me.

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[–] LittleWizard@feddit.de 68 points 11 months ago (16 children)

A PhD is not the only way to expand human knowledge. This is disregarding a lot of work done by a lot of hard working people.

[–] Daxtron2@lemmy.ml 97 points 11 months ago

No one says it was the only way? But one of the requirements of getting that PhD is to expand knowledge so it's 100% applicable

[–] ReluctantMuskrat@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

You might be surprised to learn it doesn't actually suggest a PhD is the only way to expand human knowledge. No one was disregarded.

[–] ShustOne@lemmy.one 8 points 11 months ago

I don't think it's meant to do that. Also if we substitute PhD for learning both will be true.

[–] Pulptastic@midwest.social 4 points 11 months ago

Presumably you could meet the boundary with "a dollah fifty in late fees at the public library" and find a way to push through from there. You'd have to find a way to publish or share your new knowledge. Studying at uni gives you access to experts in their own thing that likely have knowledge that could help you with your thing as well as a system designed to churn out these papers when you eventually find your thing.

Every day people discover new things but it takes attention, effort, and will to PROVE it's a new thing and more yet to share that with the world. Too bad you can't get an honorary PhD for doing that, at least not reliably.

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[–] rimjob_rainer@discuss.tchncs.de 56 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The ratio is off. You learn a lot more from high school and bachelor's degree and you learn way less with your master. PhD is just expanding a little bit more on master.

[–] oce@jlai.lu 17 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The visual is more about highlighting specialization and its distance from the limit of human knowledge. You often can't represent every aspect of a complex subject at the same time on a single visual. Kinda like how you can't represent the solar system distances and planet sizes to scale on a single page, you have to pick one.

[–] Poem_for_your_sprog@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

But it's all very basic knowledge.

[–] EvacuateSoul@lemmy.world 23 points 11 months ago

Common knowledge would be more appropriate. It is known by many people, but it is not basic as in obvious. It took a long time to know what we learn in a very "basic" high school biology course.

And if you actually remember half of what you learned in that course a decade later, people ask things like, "where do you learn this shit?"

[–] drmeanfeel@lemmy.world 49 points 11 months ago

Frustrating to say the least. I feel my PhD accelerated learning in all directions. Not from the program content itself, but the skills involved in the ingestion of high volumes of dense information. This idea that the borders of my world don't extend past some yadda yadda about some tiny subclass of a field is some silly goosery.

Can those "skills involved" be learned elsewhere? Sure, this is just the path I took. Can phDoctors be single minded or general idiots? Sure, I'm an idiot. Do we need some single minded people? Sure, amazing things can be accomplished by singular focus.

But it isn't a mandatory condition or experience of a floppy hat assed (sword in some countries) recipient of this degree.

[–] PatFussy@lemm.ee 49 points 11 months ago (4 children)

I kind of hate this image. Its like a way to discredit all the learning done in the formative elementary/high school years. If I would guess, 60-70% of everything I have learned was in high school and thats with me having several published papers.

[–] pooberbee@lemmy.ml 36 points 11 months ago (3 children)

To be fair, most of "all human knowledge" is stuff like when the last time was that each person on the planet pooped.

[–] dimeslime@lemmy.ca 16 points 11 months ago (3 children)
[–] ikapoz@sh.itjust.works 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Go make your little bump in the circle of human knowledge then!

[–] dimeslime@lemmy.ca 6 points 11 months ago

I made a little brown bump.

[–] DosDude@retrolemmy.com 8 points 11 months ago

For your paper, I'm pooping right now. You can add that to your data points

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[–] oce@jlai.lu 13 points 11 months ago

Why do you think it discredis it?

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[–] three20three@lemmy.world 36 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

One of my professors used to refer to it as:

Bull Shit

More Shit

Piled High and Deep

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[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 32 points 11 months ago (2 children)

They are being incredibly charitable with the width of that column

[–] cvozbosher@lemmy.ml 10 points 11 months ago

Knowledge is a grower and a shower

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[–] ezchili@iusearchlinux.fyi 28 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Euler giving the circle two big balls and an erection:

O3--

[–] eran_morad@lemmy.world 24 points 11 months ago

Eh. It was a stupid misadventure, but it led ultimately to me meeting my wife and making a good amount of money. I managed to eke out a win.

[–] oce@jlai.lu 21 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Anyone knows the origin of this representation? I've seen a professor use it years ago and I thought it was his, but I guess not.

[–] MelodicMischief@lemmy.ca 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It is from Matt Might, here.

Matt Might, a professor in Computer Science at the University of Utah, created The Illustrated Guide to a Ph.D. to explain what a Ph.D. is to new and aspiring graduate students.

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[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Last cell:

What is this, a PhD for ants?

[–] Damaskox@kbin.social 14 points 11 months ago

I appreciate this picture!

[–] MudMan@kbin.social 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

Wait, how bad are bachelors' degrees in the US/anglosphere? I was contirbuting to research projects and had a specialization by the time I was done with my five year bachelors' equivalent.

In fairness, I think the system has since been reformatted so that the fifth year is now a (paid for) master's, but still. That graph makes it seem like it's high school with benefits.

[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 21 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

College is what you put into it. A lot of people don't get into the networking side of it because it's never really introduced to them. Mostly professors look for those who are "turned on" to bring onto projects like that, that is, those that are engaged and asking questions and curious.

Youngins, lpt: talk to your professors and let them know you are interested and ask questions. It's what you are there for- access to brains.

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[–] bleistift2@feddit.de 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

five year bachelors’ equivalent

In Germany (and Europe, I believe, since the Bologna reforms), a bachelor’s is (usually) 3 years and a master’s is 5 years. That might be why you got to do research and I didn’t. How long are your master’s courses?

[–] MudMan@kbin.social 3 points 11 months ago

One year, typically. Some could be two or have a big chunk of on-the-job training/internship.

We used to have a more prominent 3 year degree, but it went semi-extinct in favor of other intermediate education, leaving our Bachelor's equivalent being 4-5 years, depending on which degree you're going for. And yeah, I think now they made them all 4 year and have more of a master's offering.

The thing is that internationally those 4-5 year degrees are still the thing immediately under a masters' degree, so there is a bit of a mismatch there. That goes some ways towards clarifying that, thanks.

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[–] 0xebfe@lemm.ee 9 points 11 months ago
[–] troglodytis@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

*image not to scale

[–] drctrl@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

I love this

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