Some of my profs did! I had one class where the prof would have optional "bonus content" not in the syllabus as a further incentive for people to come to class instead of just reading the lecture slides later.

No, bananas are berries.

First rule of working in the psych ward: Don't join a psych gang.

Vegetable is also exclusively a culinary definition. Vegetables are essentially any edible plant structure that are not sweet and aren't the seeds directly (which are grains or nuts). Typically vegetables are flowers, leaves, stems, or roots, but some non-sweet fruits like cucumbers, peppers, and green beans are also squarely in the vegetable category despite definitely being fruits, no reason they can't be both.

It's intelligent to know that tomatoes are fruits and it's wise not to put then into a fruit salad

how about: *berr*

Sure. One is grown on a berry farm, the other isn't.

I could try to but I don't need to. The fact that you could easily name some fruits that aren't berries is proof enough that you have a concept of what a berry is and what isn't. Coming up with a definition would be the next step.

So I agree that "definition" is the wrong word. I should have said "concept". Besides: what's wrong with definitions that are just a list of elements?

Use for ice cream, pies, and smothies berries.

Are grapes not considered berries in the anglosphere? In Icelandic they literally are named "Wine berries" and considered as such.

Just to add random info/trivia: it's interesting to note that this mess between "botanical fruit" and "culinary fruit" is largely language-dependent. In Portuguese for example it doesn't happen - because botanical fruit is "fruto" (with "o") and culinary fruit is "fruta" (with "a").

So for example, if you tell someone that cucumber is a "fruto", that is not contentious; you're just using a somewhat posh word if you aren't in a botanical context. And if you tell the person that tomato is a "fruta", you're just being silly.

Berry has no direct equivalent. If you must specify that the fruit comes from a single ovary, you call it "fruto simples" (lit. simple botanical-fruit), as opposed to "fruto múltiplo" (multiple fruit - e.g. pineapple). Popularly people will call stuff like strawberries and mulberries by multiple names, like "frutinhas" (little fruits) and the likes.

A pine cone is a fruit?

I was taught a pine cone was a "naked flower", as it never developed petals and ovary developed directly and bore the seed.

Like none of the nuts you know are true nuts either.

Found it funny that you then mentioned peanuts which grow in the ground contrary to all other things people think about when talking about nuts.

And yeah, I know I'll just have blown some people's mind with that info.

Well said Jerry Smith.

Shell berries.