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On one hand (heh) there's apparently evidence to suggest that handwriting activates parts of the brain which aren't typically activated by just typing something out. I can see how that would be the case and why it could sometimes be useful.

On the other, the idea of carrying a little notebook around to jot things down when I have a phone in my pocket, or using a fountain pen for longform text (trust me it would actually help you avoid hand cramps, aside from being less wasteful) all comes across as... intentionally inefficient? I struggle to see intentional inefficiency as anything but pretension. Like it's all just fetishizing living a more analogue life.

It actually makes the techbro in me think there's something to companies like Supernote and Boox and ReMarkable making e-ink tables that exist mainly so that what you do choose to write by hand can be digitized, stored and made searchable.

I suppose that's actually exactly why people tend to journal in physical notebooks? Because what you put down in there will just disappear unless you crack open that notebook again.

...Meanwhile I'm pretty sure a lot of people feel that writing things by hand gets their creative juices flowing. That's sort of interesting to me, because personally, by the time I'm finished writing a single sentence whatever I was thinking about is halfway gone. If I don't get it down real quick my thoughts will drift to something else entirely, so when I had to handwrite essays in primary school I'd get completely stuck in a way I never do just typing things.

TL;DR someone who's bad at empathy talks about handwriting as if everyone else experiences the world exactly the same way, please knock him off of his stupid pedestal

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[–] MothrOfChrst@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

I'm 100% a "both" person.

I take notes on my phone, especially if it's something I'll need on-the-go (like a grocery list). But I also write a lot of physical notes with pen and paper.

Especially for things like a remodeling project on the house - I can scribble out my thought process as I go, small ammendments with measurements or whatever as needed, etc. I prefer writing notes by hand, but there's no one right answer. For me, anyway.

[–] keet@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

I used to be quite skeptical about this in the same way as the OP here. However, after teaching for a number of years I have seen anecdotal evidence that handwriting notes does help with retention of information. Taking notes by hand forces you to process the information in ways that typing (or, let's be honest..taking pictures or recordings) cannot. Basically, aside from the fine motor skills involved, the slower process of note-taking by hand forces you to actually think more about what you write, as you have to summarize more due to the physical process being less efficient. Too many students nowadays make the mistake that simply being familiar with, having digital access to, or simply recognizing a particular bit of information is the same thing as actually knowing or mastering the info. (Yes, I know....old man shakes fist at passing cloud...)

I will second the bit about fountain pens helping with hand cramps/writing fatigue and being less wasteful than other writing methods. Same with the advent of e-ink screens helping with the often cited example of digitized info contributing to eye strain.

[–] kestrel7@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I journal and take notes regularly by hand and have written novel-length manuscripts in the last couple of years by hand. I prefer using fountain pens or else my hand cramps up (and using anything else for that amount of writing can get a bit wasteful). I don't know if it's better for my memory, but I prefer it for other reasons.

My process is to write a first draft by hand to minimize digital distractions. I take my notebook and pen somewhere without internet, and leave my laptop and phone behind. Then, I type it up, and this is a sort of "natural" 2nd draft process, as I obviously make smaller or larger edits as I'm re-reading my own work.

My mom still has notebooks from when she was in high school. Digital amnesia means I don't have any of my high school and college homework anymore. I developed this system because realized I was putting a lot of effort into managing digital backups of all of my drafts and shit when simple folders and stacks of paper would do fine. But really, I mostly do it because I have ADHD, and using computers to write longform drafts is difficult because they are highly distracting devices. Typewriters and notebooks that only do one thing make things more straightforward for me. So, I get why most people don't approach things this way in 2023.

[–] rodhlann@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

This year I started keeping a shitty little notebook I don't care about losing or damaging in my pocket with a cheap fountain pen. I use it whenever the need or desire takes me, which might be every day for a week, or not at all for a month. I use it to stabilize tables sometimes, or just to flip through if I want to do something with my hands. I've used to to keep score in boardgames, or to write down my thoughts and feelings. I really love it.

I'm a software engineer of about 8 years and I think the longer time goes on the more I want to be disconnected from a screen in my free time. I love coding and gaming and scrolling Kbin on my phone, but sometimes it's so nice to just put all that down, take a walk, and write stuff on real paper. Doesn't need to be anything more than that. Not for me, anyways

[–] Arthur_Leywin@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

On one hand (heh) there's apparently evidence to suggest that handwriting activates parts of the brain which aren't typically activated by just typing something out.

I agree, parts of my brain do get activated. The parts where I am annoyed and aggravated by how slow and ugly my handwriting is XD

[–] Kaldo@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago

I loved writing on actual paper when I was younger. I miss it but the truth is that its simply inconvenient when we all have auto syncing smartphones and pcs with ability to edit and copy paste and all of that.

I only bring out paper when I need to visualize something complex and it's usually a mess by the time I'm done, and indecipherable by the next week.

[–] cthonctic@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

So, I really hate taking a laptop into meeting rooms so unless I know I'll have to share my screen I (used to) take an A4 sized paper notebook and a pen to jot down notes.

Recently I upgraded to a ReMarkable 2 which, while certainly not inexpensive, has so been worth it for me.

I do type pretty efficiently on one of my mechanical keyboards, but putting my thoughts into handwriting is a different experience entirely and I always want to retain this option especially for personal one-on-ones.

[–] Rassilon@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

While I still hold a great appreciation for writing with pen and paper, I find I rarely ever do so anymore. I used to always carry a notepad and pen for writing self reminders, notes, or whatever came to mind. Writing by hand most definitely helps me to remember the content.

As time went on though, after numerous different schools putting me in typing classes (due to telling counselors my interest in computers, moving schools yearly, and a lack of CS curriculum), typing became the quickest means of writing for me.

I have taken to using a middle ground of sorts in that I use a stylus with my Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 3 for my note taking. It still helps me somewhat to better remember the contents, and the unfolded dimensions (5.04 x 6.23 in.) are not dissimilar to using a small notepad.

[–] moon_matter@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I will second the bit about fountain pens helping with hand cramps/writing fatigue and being less wasteful than other writing methods. Same with the advent of e-ink screens helping with the often cited example of digitized info contributing to eye strain.

I know this is a personal issue of mine, but all the benefits of physical notebooks are cancelled out by the fact that they are more likely to get lost. I've actually had co-workers steal lined paper, binders and notebooks off my desk at work. It was a huge hassle so I'm back to all digital now.

[–] rem26_art@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

I think its nice to handwrite things in some contexts. For notes i need to be searchable or to find again easily, I usually type them out in Obsidian. It's nice and organized and can link stuff together.

But for like, more emotional stuff or like, trying to organize my brain, its nicer to handwrite things. It feels more... permanent in a way? Like I've made this tangible thing, rather than just stored bits on a piece of silicon. I tend to remember handwritten stuff slightly better than digital stuff. There's something nice about writing out your problems in a notebook, closing it, and then just never really going over them again.

[–] buckykat@lemmy.fmhy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

It's simply untenable if I expect anyone else to read it. When I was in school I even had a 504 plan to avoid handwriting assignments and used an alphasmart for a while.

[–] milkytoast@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

my handwriting is fucked, and i find typing easier. so i don't handwrite unless strictly necessary, and even then, it's usually no mare than a few sentences

[–] pbkoden@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

I second this. My handwriting skills have atrophied after so many years of typing. I can't read my own notes half the time (I keep a notepad handy at work) and filling out a greeting card is an exercise in frustration. Just give me a keyboard.

[–] wulfinna@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I hand write and type in pretty equal tandem. Writing poetry oftentimes, I feel better about drafting things on scratch paper (or at least brainstorming) before seeing how it appears in type/print. Other times, I might be at my laptop with an idea that comes to mind that's easier to type out in my text editor first. I find my own dynamic very fluid and I imagine it's mostly the same for others. I think it could really depend on the work being done. And I don't think pretty handwriting is always necessary. If you can read it, it should be enough.

[–] VoxAdActa@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

I hate writing by hand, even though I went all the way through high school doing it (only things like final essays were typed, and even then you had to do it at home). It always hurt to do it the way I was supposed to, my handwriting never improved after like 1st grade (until I taught myself to write left-handed in my early 20's; that's much neater), and I have a horrible sensory issue involving the feel of a dull pencil dragging across paper. It makes me want to jump out a goddamned window.

Even so, writing things by hand helps me remember stuff better. Once I got to college and I was allowed to use whatever writing implement I wanted to take notes with (sparkly gel pens in a variety of colors), it wasn't so awful, and it helped my memory so much that I don't think I ever had to look at the notes I took ever again. So if I'm going to a lecture or a conference or something, I'll still bring a notebook and some fancy gel pens.

Otherwise, the only thing I do with hand-writing is quick notes when I'm talking on the phone and need to record an account number or e-mail or whatever, or when I need to create a reminder to go back and fix something I'm already ahead of at work. Post-it notes are so much quicker than taking the phone away from my ear, navigating to OneNote, selecting the notebook, selecting "new page", and then typing it out. If I want to transcribe the information in some way that's not strictly left-aligned, or if I want to draw circles/boxes/arrows, well, One Note says "too bad, suck it up". Plus, I can stick the post-it to my monitor and it's in my line of sight all day; shit I note down in the phone is out-of-sight, out-of-mind.

Yes, I know I can use the desktop version of OneNote, which has more functionality. I do use it when I'm outlining or making adventure notes for the D&D game I run; it's fabulous for that. But it's utter shit for quickly jotting down "call Denise at [number] <--- IMPORTANT DO BEFORE ----> call Electric Company about acct [#] at [number]". That example doesn't even make sense typed out.

[–] glasslyrata@mander.xyz 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I enjoy writing by hand, but I do look forward to a good e-ink device (Products like the remarkable have a subscription model and it's closed hardware and software, which is a big negative to me). Waiting to see how projects like PineNote evolve.

For now I just write on which ever notebook is closest to me. The act of writing is more important than actually storing information somewhere outside of my head.

[–] tables@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

I like writing things by hand. I don't do it because of the supposed brain activation, but I genuinely like the feeling of writing. That's most of it, honestly.

On a more practical note, I find that I'd rather have more organized information in electronic format, but writing by hand is much simpler for quick notes - so I'll usually jot down stuff I need to last a few days, meeting notes and such, and I might type those things out in a tidier manner if I feel like the information warrants it, if it's something I might need to come back to in a few months or years.

While yes, I technically do type faster than I write by hand, when I'm taking notes of something, I usually mix sentences with quick sketches and diagrams - and I can do that much faster by hand than using some sketching software.

[–] HubertManne@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago
[–] Toadvark@mander.xyz 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

For me it's mostly the ease of it. I'm the type to get very bogged down by (perceived) steps, hurdles, and visual overstimulation. An illustration:

Notebook

  • Find pen or pencil
  • Find the page you need
  • Go

Tablet/Etc

  • Is it charged
  • Specific pen only
  • Keyboard needs pairing
  • Is keyboard charged
  • It wants to update now, awesome
  • Turn it on, see ten unrelated apps --> forget what I'm doing
  • App randomly decides it needs internet access
  • Probably have to deal with syncing now
  • etc etc
  • (another 'me' problem: I get really hung up on trying to format things digitally, which takes time way from what I'm supposed to be doing)

Now, there are certainly benefits to writing things out digitally, especially when searchability is key. Any important info in any of my booklets that I might need to find later on gets typed up or entered into a spreadsheet where applicable. Not the most efficient way to do things, I suppose. 😅

In general though: I just like being able to look down and see a thing I've written, rather than needing to wake up a device, open a program, or otherwise fiddle with a screen, especially while multitasking.

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