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[–] Ketchup@lemmy.world 51 points 1 year ago (2 children)

After I made a few jokes in the comments, I shifted.

One fascinating aspect of Lemmy is that it won't solely be the mods or admins choosing instances they associate with. As a user, you can too, isn't that pretty cool? Let's say in the future you find yourself disagreeing with what a particular instance is promoting or allowing. You have the freedom to join another instance instead. It's empowering to be able to switch instances as a user; just like that meme I imagine dramatic lemmings exclaiming “I’m leaving those gate keepers at X”

This concept signifies that you shouldn't become too attached to the identity of your accounts on a specific instance, which is probably a healthy mindset anyways. It also means that on Lemmy, everyone, including users, admins, and mods, has the flexibility to choose how and with whom they want to associate. Some instances may prioritize user privacy or choose to exclude certain types of content that contradicts their core beliefs. While some may label it as gatekeeping, it's important to recognize that people naturally gravitate towards communities of like-minded individuals.

What's really neat is that as a user, you don't even need to seek approval for this. You can create multiple accounts and join multiple instances, where all that’s required is for you to behave in a manner aligned with the code of ethics or conduct defined by the community. Ultimately that means the power lies in the user's ability to switch instances, to find the best home for themselves. So there is no need to worry what other instances are doing and it adds an interesting dynamic to the overall experience.

[–] Leer10@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm really hoping that someday we'll have a process to enable migration like a DHT and a user private key that allows them to send out a message like "i was user@instance.a but now I'm user@instance.b"... I heard talks about cross-fediverse account linking (maybe like keybase?) So hopefully something like that

[–] Ketchup@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Man, what would be perfect! Because as far as I see it, it’s one of the few inconveniences of federation on the user level, and that kind of aliasing would totally solve it.

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[–] Hanabie@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago

My main problem is, that the community I started gets less exposure now. That would be fine, if it was just people on instances like lemmygrad, where people congregate with whom I won't get along, anyway. But the beehaw people are not bad folks.

Heck, even an alt account of a tankie on a different instance might behave completely differently when they're not associated with the tankie account (hence no peer pressure).

With how things stand right now, I can't even do mod things remotely without bugging the community out, so while I personally am not tied to any instance, the community is, and right now, I'm hampered, too, whenever I wear the moderator hat.

I hope there's gonna be solutions for this some day, that let us move instances around. Communities are the reason people don't go elsewhere, it's probably also the reason many redditors don't leave that place.

[–] Re4mstr@lemmy.re4mstr.com 28 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I have my own empty instance!

All the power, all to myself...

[–] Captain_Jimmy_T_Kirk@lemmy.ml 39 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Have you considered defederating everyone for the dopamine hit?

[–] Da_Boom@iusearchlinux.fyi 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Jokes aside, I feel like if the dopamine hit of merely browsing Lemmy and finding posts and communities you like, and enjoying good debates does not exceed the hit for defederating everyone, then you're doing it wrong.

[–] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 year ago

Few things compare to the dopamine hit of actually participating in a conversation with people

Especially in a smaller community like this

It's pretty chill

[–] bilb@lem.monster 4 points 1 year ago
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[–] neardeaf@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yup. I was here originally, went to beehaw, they defederated from lemmy.world where most of my subscriptions were… back to lemmy.ml lol

[–] Hanabie@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They also defederated from sh.itjust.works, but I got a community to care for here, so I just made some "alts".

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[–] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Funnily enough I started on Beehaw and when they defederated I went to Blajah

I'm here for a meme time and hopefully some communities that were popping off in Lemmy World

Blajah's pretty chill

Edit: Don't get me wrong though, I agree with their decision I just wanted to still be apart of communities I had already decided to join.

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[–] Antik@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I love the fact that even here, the mods having power over nothing gets to their heads.

Really has that reddit flavor, you know?

[–] Discoslugs@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Those internet points be drivin them wild.

[–] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago

scratching arm

"Where's the karma man, I need my karma.

I gotta make my points higher than anyone else, how else am I supposed to prove I'm better than other people"

screams shit posts into the void

[–] hawkwind@lemmy.management 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

At least we get lemmy flavoured drama. It's not as bitter as Reddit's.

[–] Wander@yiffit.net 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)
[–] shutuuplegs@reddthat.com 22 points 1 year ago

Neocon/trumpers/racists are coming on various federated lemmy systems. Once there they are posting rando crap and pushing people to ignore the basic requirements most lemmy system admins have setup. No hate, no bigotry, no racism.

[–] ShlorpianMafia@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (20 children)

It's probably about how beehaw defederated lemmy.world or something

[–] Hanabie@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Beehaw didn't defederate because .world is a cesspool. There were a handful of idiots trolling, using .world accounts (and sh.itjust.works), and Beehaw cut contact until the mod tools are up to the task.

Yes, the behaviour of a few hurt a large number of people, but they knew no better way to solve it. It's also not a permanent defed, just a bandaid fix until the tools are better.

[–] Captain_Jimmy_T_Kirk@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm new to the fediverse, but isn't it sort of shooting themselves in the foot to defederate the biggest instance so far?

[–] bilb@lem.monster 11 points 1 year ago

Depends on what the goals of the instance admins are.

[–] Zetaphor@zemmy.cc 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The entire value proposition of the fediverse is that you can defederate rather than being stuck under the same roof as you would on a centralized platform.

The only people I see complaining about this are on the defederated instances, the Beehaw users seem to be generally happy with the change.

[–] goforliftoff@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

…the Beehaw users seem to be generally happy with the change.

Maybe? I honestly don’t know, but it seems like it would be hard for them to tell…? If I understand things correctly, Beehaw defederates (what a word…) and now no one sees posts / communities from, say, sh.itjust.works, right? So no one really knows what they’re missing if they’re on Beehaw? Please correct me if I’m wrong, as that could easily be the case.

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Don't talk to me or my worker bees ever again!

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