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Treasury on course to spend 10% of government revenue on bond costs this year, according to Fitch

The UK is on track to incur the highest debt interest costs in the developed world this year as persistently high inflation and an unusually large proportion of government bonds linked to price rises damage the public finances.

The Treasury will spend £110bn on debt interest in 2023, according to a forecast by Fitch. At 10.4 per cent of total government revenue, that would be the highest level of any high-income country — the first time the UK has topped the data set that goes back to 1995.

Roughly a quarter of UK government debt is in the form of so-called index-linked bonds, whose payouts fluctuate in line with inflation, making the country a huge outlier internationally. Italy has the next highest share with 12 per cent of its bonds tied to inflation, while most countries have less than 10 per cent.

“We’ve had a very large inflation shock which is adversely affecting the public finances and that is obviously a key driver of the sovereign credit rating,” said Ed Parker, global head of research for sovereigns and supranationals at Fitch.

The agency reiterated in June its negative outlook on the UK’s double A minus credit rating, citing “the UK’s rising government debt and uncertain prospects for fiscal consolidation”.

Parker said a negative outlook signals that a downgrade is “more likely than not if current trends continue” and that the agency would normally hope to clarify a negative outlook within two years.

Debt interest costs as a proportion of revenue are a key measure of debt affordability and have jumped in the UK in the past couple of years while coming down elsewhere.

The UK will sit at the top of the Fitch debt interest costs table after its ratio increased dramatically in the past two years from an average of 6.2 per cent between 2017 and 2021.

Line chart of Interest payments as a percentage of government revenues showing UK's debt costs surge ahead of peers

In contrast, the average among western Europe and North American countries is set to fall from 4 per cent in the five years to 2021, to 3.7 per cent this year, as inflation has boosted government revenues and in some countries the debt expiring had higher interest rates than new debt issued.

Rising debt costs in the UK come as inflation proves harder to tame than in other developed economies, despite recent signs of improving data. The UK’s retail price index, which guides index-linked gilt interest payments, rose 10.7 per cent in the year to June, while wage inflation has yet to show signs of easing.

Fitch forecasts the UK’s debt interest-to-revenue ratio should start to fall next year as inflation continues to ease, with the interest burden of both the US and Italy set to overtake the UK in 2024.

However, rating agencies expect the UK’s interest costs to stabilise at historically high levels. “We expect the debt affordability of the UK to remain relatively weak” said Evan Wohlmann, a senior credit officer at rival rating agency Moody’s.

“Debt affordability is at risk from more persistent inflation as well as from a potential sustained erosion of the UK’s policy credibility,” he added.

Moody’s, which has an Aa1 rating on the UK — it’s second highest level — also has a negative outlook, a position it has held since October and expects to clarify within 12 months.

Concern among rating agencies on the UK’s credit outlook comes after the Office for Budget Responsibility, the UK’s fiscal watchdog, warned that public finances were in a “very risky” position, with government debt on course to hit 310 per cent of gross domestic product in 50 years.

The OBR said that the UK was “more vulnerable” than other advanced economies when it came to public debt, which in May surpassed 100 per cent of gross domestic product for the first time since 1961.

The government plans to sell £241bn of gilts in the current financial year, a sharp increase from £139.2bn issued in the previous 12 months, with issuance net of Bank of England bond purchases and sales expected to be about three times more than the average over the past decade.

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[–] FatLegTed@feddit.uk 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We really are a shitshow, mainly thanks to this last government.

We need to step back from this mindset of 'Glorious British Empire' and the world doffing their caps in reveerence to the mention of us.

We are a third world country and need to sort ourselves out.

Most of our industry, media, services, and a fair portion of property is owned by foreign players, and we're hemorrhaging money to them, whilst they strip and poison our country.

Weak government, controlled by foreign money and influenced only by the next election.

All going a bit 30s Germany really.

[–] hellequin67@feddit.uk 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

And even if Labour win it will be more of the same because they are pretty much cut from the same cloth these days.

[–] Emperor@feddit.uk 10 points 1 year ago

That's the kind of vote-surpressing ideas the Tory press love to spin. A guy in my local, who "only reads The Express for the sport", spoils his ballot paper every year because "they're all the same".

Starmer is duller than ditch water and way to far to the right for me but, despite all his many shortcomings, he'd be an order of magnitude better than any Tory as would any prospective Labour leader over this grim old period. Even if the worst fabrications of the right-wing press about Corbyn had come true, he's have still not have harmed the economy as badly as Liz Truss (or pretty much any other Tory).

So next election, for me, isn't going to be a vote for Labour, it'll be a vote against the Tories. I am sure there will be plenty of tactical voting guides posted as the time approaches

[–] teamonkey@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

Their policies have drifted to the right under Starmer but they’re not even close to being the neoliberal extremists that the Conservative Party still are.

Labour are far from ideal right now but it’s wrong to say they’re the same.

[–] frazorth@feddit.uk 1 points 1 year ago

What a load of wank.

[–] Emperor@feddit.uk 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So much for the Tories being fiscally responsible.

[–] rmuk@feddit.uk 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think you'll find they're flush with cash. Now get back to work, peasant.

[–] Emperor@feddit.uk 5 points 1 year ago

Yes m'lord.

[–] born2rune@feddit.uk 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And, if Labour get in, they may have to bring back Austerity. They're certainly not making any new spending promises. They will inherit a shitshow and they will get blamed for it.

[–] noodle@feddit.uk 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm not sure they do. But they will need to appear like they type of party that would consider it, at least.

Labour have a reputation for being big spenders. The general public by default assume Labour will spend money we don't have and that Tories will save money. Most people struggle to understand their personal financials, yet alone the whole country. I'm interested in it, have read about it for nearly 2 decades, and still couldn't claim to understand it.

Basically, I don't envy any Labour leader. They are fighting an uphill battle to correct their image against a population that is becoming increasingly more ignorant as time goes on.

[–] C4d@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I remember coming across this a while ago:

https://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2021/06/24/the-tories-have-always-borrowed-more-than-labour-and-always-repaid-less-they-are-the-party-of-big-deficit-spending/

Just putting it here “as is” - it’s the sort of analysis I would love to be able to do myself but I don’t have the time or expertise.

[–] born2rune@feddit.uk 1 points 1 year ago

You do make a good point there. They will need to appeal to those disenfranchised Tory voters, I just hope they dont go the "Tory Lite" route.

[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 5 points 1 year ago

What a time to be alive.

[–] sirico@feddit.uk 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Serfdom for the modern age, small ammont of the population consistantly transfered wealth from the many who will work longer for less to replace it all.

[–] Emperor@feddit.uk 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The real debate is whether we are in late stage Capitalism or early stage Neo-Feudalism.

[–] frazorth@feddit.uk 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)
[–] Emperor@feddit.uk 3 points 1 year ago

What really drove it home for me was [this interview of Gary Stevenson by Novara Media](https://onion tube/ViY-zI3b5JQ). It does a great job of breaking down the problem. I might actually make a new post for this.

[–] Oneeightnine@feddit.uk 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Okay. Can anyone explain what this means for the average person?

[–] Mex@feddit.uk 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

More of the taxes you pay will be used to pay for the debt the UK owes instead of going to pay for services like healthcare

[–] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] burningmatches@feddit.uk 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The chart in the article shows debt repayments as a share of revenues, so it's already a net result.

However, roughly a third of our "debt" is owned by the government through the Bank of England, so I'm not sure how the UK would compare if such payments were netted out (or if the figures are already net of that)...?

[–] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanks.

I don't understand why the ONS is saying that debt interest is falling though?

Additional spending on the energy support schemes, up-rated benefit payments and other costs were partially offset by a large fall in debt interest payable.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicsectorfinance/bulletins/publicsectorfinances/june2023

[–] burningmatches@feddit.uk 3 points 1 year ago

Not sure. It might be that Fitch’s figures are based on its own estimates and a slightly different interpretation of the underlying data (perhaps to be more comparable internationally).

[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Isn't that also then hampered itself by the lack of real-terms pay increases across the board?

[–] C4d@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is the thing with public sector pay increases - by the time you factor in the tax those folk will be paying the costs won’t be nearly as much as stated.

This is before you factor in any multipliers that public sector spending might have - the work the public sector performs allows the others (including the private sector) to go on to do other things.

[–] Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk 1 points 1 year ago

Woo hoo! Best in the world!

[–] KaSPer@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago
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