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Let me know what I've omitted from either list. O'Brien still "wins."

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[–] Makeitstop@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The more mundane, day to day stuff is where there's a big difference.

(Young) Obi-Wan gets super powers and a highly respected position in society that allows him to operate independently on a day to day basis.

O'Brian gets dragged out of bed in the middle of the night because a hypochondriac feels a tingle, and after extensive diagnostics show nothing is wrong, he's ordered to take the transporter apart piece by piece and put it back together again.

During a disaster where he is the most experienced person left on the bridge, he has to take orders from Troi (who needs him to explain everything to her)

Has arachnaphobia, gets stationed somewhere that's overrun by giant spiders, just has to deal with it.


Let's not forget that Miles fought in a war against the Cardassians, which caused some serious psychological scars that don't seem to be getting addressed. Those same events broke his commanding officer, and Miles is the only one who really understands why.

Then he goes on to take a quiet post at a space station in the middle of nowhere, only for it to become the frontline of an even bigger war.

[–] Doug@midwest.social 14 points 1 year ago

Let's not forget that space station was made by the people who he fought in the war. That's got to figure in to those unmentioned psychological scars.

[–] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Thanks for the additions. There really is a nuance to O'Brien's harrowing life. Lower Decks or Starfleet Academy should attempt to showcase his rise to "Most Important Person in Starfleet History" with just a few more dashes of suffering between.

[–] Makeitstop@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Just realized I forgot the time that his wife got turned into a 10 year old. A 10 year old who got mad at him for being uncomfortable with physical affection at a time when she is going through something crazy and wants to feel comforted. Forget the Kobayashi Maru, that right there is the real no-win scenario.

Now if only I could go back to forgetting that episode.

[–] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Yeah, thanks for the reminder.

[–] cybervseas@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I'm wonder if Colm Meany is done with playing the suffering Irishman though…

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

They forgot to mention that by that time, "important" has changed meaning and means "tormented."

[–] Doug@midwest.social 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Spent years in exile on a desert planet while being hunted by former apprentice

Dealt with two generations of whiney Skywalker men (mostly joking)

[–] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

At least he didn't also have to put up with Anakin's grandson. Pic not mine.

[–] aaaa@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Half of Obi-Wan's list is just bad choices he made. Pfft. Sucks to suck.

[–] brezelradar@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago

Cardassian justice system - you can take only two.

[–] CarlsIII@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He kinda lost his daughter forever, right? Didn’t they decide “well she’s too feral so I guess she’d be better off just being a wild one on this planet”

[–] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

When they re-opened the portal, older daughter sees younger daughter and pushes her back. Technically negates her own existence, but what is an O'Brien that doesn't suffer?