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The only app I can't live without. Except for gboard, all of my applications are Foss. There is no competition for gboard's swipe typing, not to mention its many capabilities like as searching for gifs, stickers, being able to paste copied images, translating, and so on. I'd like to know how I can use gboard while maintaining my privacy. According to what I've heard, it sends all typing data to Google's server. If you ask me, that's a massive no-no. Do you have any suggestions?

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[–] WhoRoger@lemmy.world 75 points 1 year ago (26 children)

Give OpenBoard with gesture typing a shot. No gifs and stuff, but gesture typing works together with suggestions, unlike either base OB or Floris. Someone casually mentioned it a few weeks ago and damn how much my life changed.

[–] UdeRecife@lemmy.sdfeu.org 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm so thrilled right now! I'm already typing this reply on OpenBoard and I'm loving it.

Gboard was also a big hurdle to my need to degoogle my phone. But not anymore!

Thank you so much. You've brighten my day. I'm both happy for knowing this and for finding about it on the fediverse.

[–] ijeff@lemdro.id 7 points 1 year ago

I just wanted to say how much I appreciate this whole vibe!

[–] mremugles@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Life changing

[–] nulldev@lemmy.vepta.org 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

BTW that still uses Google's proprietary gesture typing library internally: https://github.com/wordmage/openboard/commit/46fdf2b550035ca69299ce312fa158e7ade36967

There's still no good FOSS alternative to Google's library though so it is what it is.

[–] WhoRoger@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Aha, that's why it's not on F-Droid. That makes sense.

Still, it doesn't connect to the internet so unless there's something very sneaky Google does in the background, it should be good?

Floris Board afaik has its own implementation of gesture typing, but that's been stuck in beta without word suggestions, so it's not really usable.

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[–] whoopThereItIs@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Wow this works pretty well!

[–] hombre_fundido@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

How did I not know about this?

Amazing. Thank you.

[–] SGforce@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago

Wow, this is an awesome keyboard! I love the pointer moving with the spacebar.

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[–] armrods@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

GBoard learning algorithm has been federated since 2017 πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ edit

https://ai.googleblog.com/2017/04/federated-learning-collaborative.html

[–] Rootiest@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

That's actually pretty cool

It works like this: your device downloads the current model, improves it by learning from data on your phone, and then summarizes the changes as a small focused update. Only this update to the model is sent to the cloud, using encrypted communication, where it is immediately averaged with other user updates to improve the shared model. All the training data remains on your device, and no individual updates are stored in the cloud.

[–] wolre@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (3 children)

My main deal breaker with most open source keyboards is the usually pretty bad multi language support. I type in three languages all the time and don't want to have to switch keyboards every time I switch the language. Currently using SwiftKey, just because it handles multi-language (fairly) well.

[–] lia_automata@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There is a fork of openboard with multiple language support, but it's missing glide typing. When these two features are merged it's the perfect keyboard. Until then the language switch icon works well enough.

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[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you're on calyxos, grapheneos, or lineageos you can disable network permisions for that app. If not, use netguard as a firewall and block it.

https://f-droid.org/packages/eu.faircode.netguard/

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If you have Google play services the keyboard could phone home through play services. Shutting off network access isn't 100% effective, especially for Google apps.

Obviously depending on your threat model this is fine.

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[–] Tramdan@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There's a fork of OpenBoard with swipe typing at https://github.com/erkserkserks/openboard

I've found this to be better than any of the alternatives.

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[–] slapmefive@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

I believe some custom ROMs use an AOSP version that is very simplified, but it’s not a 1:1 replacement. I’ll be following this to see if anybody has suggestions.

[–] Nr97JcmjjiXZud@infosec.pub 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

F-Droid has a lot of security issues(if you care about security), use Neo Store if you want access to F-Droid apps with a more secure app.

EDIT: Even better to use Obtainium and add the links of the APP's own Github/GitLab repo to it.

[–] NENathaniel@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Any chance u can explain how Neo Store is more secure?

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[–] bugsmith@programming.dev 14 points 1 year ago

To those who have been recommending Florisboard in this thread: Thank you. I've longed for a good FOSS keyboard, but always found they lacked enough features that I was willing to compromise and stick with gboard. Florisboard, using the latest beta from IzzyOnDroid, absolutely hits the mark already. It's missing a few features, like word autosuggest, but I can live without that for a while.

[–] draken@lemmy.villa-straylight.social 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I use OpenBoard from F-Droid.

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[–] AphoticDev@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What do you mean, no competition? SwiftKey was the first to have swipe typing, and still does it best, because it learns how you swipe and adjusts itself for that.

[–] ijeff@lemdro.id 19 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Swype was the first to have it. It did so amazingly well and was better than SwiftKey while it was still around.

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[–] gnzl@nc.gnzl.cl 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't know how much of a difference it makes in terms of Gboard phoning home, but you can disable a bunch of data sharing options in the Privacy section of Gboard's settings:

[–] avds2@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (28 children)

FOSS is not just about privacy! Freedom is that important reason you should care about. FlorisBoard is my suggestion for you.

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[–] communist@beehaw.org 11 points 1 year ago

https://github.com/florisboard/florisboard/pull/2209

As soon as this gets merged, I'm done with Gboard I hope.

[–] Monologue@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

maybe using a firewall to block it's internet access?

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[–] ijeff@lemdro.id 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Leaving this up because there are some good discussions here already and it's a great question. I'd just flag rule 2 in the sidebar and that we ask questions and recommendation requests to be posted in !askandroid@lemdro.id instead. Thanks!

[–] Sl00k@programming.dev 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Off topic question, don't you guys think splintering the Android community into multiple communities specifically for certain things when there are so few people on the Lemmy platform will lead to the instance becoming driy without content? Not sure if there's been discussion about this yet.

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[–] LoveSausage@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I use it without giving network permission

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[–] schmensch@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

A lot oft ROMs allow you go completely disable Internet access for a certain app. Disabling the data collection toggles in GBoard and disabling internet access for GBoard, Play Services, Play Store and the Google App should prevent most logging.

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[–] Carter@feddit.uk 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] mruczek@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think OpenBoard is as close as it gets. There are no features like stickers but the layout is very similar.

[–] LoafyLemon@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago

There are no features like stickers (...)

I'm sold! I hate stickers. x)

[–] Nyanix@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I always see people recommend FlorisBoard, but I haven't been able to leave OpenBoard for it on the basis of never getting autocorrect to work on FlorisBoard. Is that implemented and I'm not setting it up right, or do you all manage to text with 100% accuracy?

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[–] gunpachi@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

On my old phone i used Florisboard, it was pretty good and it's FOSS as well.

These days I use the samsung keyboard as I recently switched to a samsung device. The keyboard customizations are really awesome, if you have KeysCafe module installed. Not sure how privacy friendly it is tho.

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[–] Sucuk@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

OpenBoard, Florisboard, AnySoftKeyboard

THERE ARE ALTERNATIVES, PEOPLE!

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[–] pseudo@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Configure the languages, then:

// LineageOS

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[–] kraxyk@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is not a direct solution to your question. The only available option currently is Florisboard. I tried it but it didn't work well for me. Ever since I've justbeen using openboard. Clean, fast, pretty accurate but no glide typing. There is an open issue for it and some POC work had been done but not merged into main.

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