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[–] Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 101 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You will own nothing, and you will like it.

[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm super glad I recently made the switch to XCP-ng for my home lab hypervisor.

[–] nakal@kbin.social 4 points 11 months ago

I mostly use lightweight virtualization with containers and jails at home. I have one BHyVe VM, but I plan to eliminate virtualization completely. It's a waste of resources for my setup.

[–] Pregnenolone@lemmy.world 71 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Broadcom is one of the worst fuckin suppliers

[–] phillaholic@lemm.ee 11 points 11 months ago (2 children)
[–] Darkaga@kbin.social 82 points 11 months ago (4 children)

You have to leave room for Oracle.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 36 points 11 months ago

Obligatory: fuck Adobe

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 24 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] Dran_Arcana@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I feel like SAP takes the security-through-obscurity approach to not getting shit talked in these chains. As someone who has dealt with oracle, solarwinds, and sap, sap wins full stop.

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

SAP is evil incarnate. Their "consultants" are the worst form of con artists, and completely incompetent.

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[–] MirthfulAlembic@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I used to root against the Golden State Warriors solely because they played at the Oracle Arena.

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[–] grue@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

Broadcom is really really bad, but there's a lot of competition in that space.

[–] yamanii@lemmy.world 53 points 11 months ago

SaaS is a scam

[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 50 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

I think a lot of enterprises are going to look at RHEV and Proxmox now. Broadcom will squeeze so little out of VMware thinking they can convert per seat licenses, it's baffling to me why they decided to do this. Do all these companies want to spend $2 to make $1 all the sudden?

Watch: in a year they'll offload it to private equity.

[–] d3Xt3r@lemmy.nz 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I think a lot of enterprises are going to look at RHEV

I don't think so, because:

Development of RHV has ceased and as of August 2020 the product is now only receiving maintenance updates, with extended life phase updates provided until 2026.[8] The successor to RHV is Red Hat's OpenShift container platform.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Hat_Virtualization

Proxmox

I'm no expert btw, but from what I understand (from speaking with others and researching for my own homelab setup) is that LXD/Incus is now the preferred solution over Proxmox. LXD is faster, the CLI is very good, it has a huge library of ready to run Linux distro images which is convenient, and it runs on top of your favorite distro, which makes it easy to install/setup, more flexible, and more compatible (Proxmox runs an old and custom kernel, which may not be fully compatible with new hardware).

[–] demonsword@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

Watch: in a year they’ll offload it to private equity.

and that's the kiss of death for any company

[–] knobbysideup@lemm.ee 42 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Proxmox is a decent option, or just use kvm provisioning directly with ansible.

[–] Brkdncr@sh.itjust.works 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

So many companies can’t do this.

[–] RupeThereItIs@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago (4 children)

The staffing, the network and storage changes.

The suggestion to just use KVM and ansible is rather tone def.

Sounds like someone with limited experience in the industry, honestly.

[–] themoonisacheese@sh.itjust.works 5 points 11 months ago

Any shop large enough that this is such a massive undertaking is large enough that the people who care about this aren't the people making financial decisions.

The good news is this is horrendous for finance as well so unless you cut a deal for your licensing costs because you're a titan, you'll be switching.

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[–] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 36 points 11 months ago (4 children)

I get why enterprise likes VMWare but KVM isn’t harder to deal with. I’ve always worked at smaller companies so this isn’t an expert opinion. But I’ve always felt like at the infrastructure level, it ends up being cheaper to hire experts and run the open source solution (assuming it’s mature and at feature parity) than pay licensing and support fees.

An expert in one thing will usually add to your company in other ways too. Talent > “solutions” in the long run.

[–] Nomad@infosec.pub 47 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I learned years ago that buying something from a big company instead of using a free open source solution is about aoutsourcing responsibility. Its about being able to sue a company about damages instead of hiring reliable personell to run and write fixes for foss software. Also insurance is much easier.

Not that I follow that advice, my company is still 99% foss software.

[–] themoonisacheese@sh.itjust.works 12 points 11 months ago

Exactly. All enterprise software pricing is about liability and how much blame you can put on the software vendor when everything goes wrong.

Of course, your company's employees are still going to be the ones picking up the pieces but you get to tell your investors "actually it was VMWare's fault". And you can't do that with OSS, even if you're buying support.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 27 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Let me tell you about a large bank and two data centers operated using VMware and the type of talent the bank is able to hire and retain. A move away from VMware is a 5-year project involving hiring, retraining, design mistakes, budget overruns, and a lot of grey hair. The year was 2012. 7 years later, one DC converted to OpenStack, the project is shelved and the majority of th OpenStack DC gets converted back to VMware due to "OpenStack disaster."

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[–] somenonewho@feddit.de 12 points 11 months ago

I work in hosting. We mostly use Proxmox for our Hypervisors which is already a step up from "bare" KVM in regards to convenience/ease of use (especially for High availability scenarios and the like) We also run VMWare and while I don't love the "locked down you gotta do it the VMWare way" nature it's often so much easier and the HA is mich more convenient. Also it has proper functionality for custom resourcing/access/billing.

[–] bassomitron@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Say what? Going back to only KVM in modern DCs is some crazy talk. If your org is small enough that KVM is even remotely an option, then I'd recommend running a cost/benefit analysis on whether hosting a small server farm on prem is even worthwhile.

But when you're managing hundreds of servers with dozens of various purposes, FOSS solutions aren't always tenable. And not using a mature, feature complete virtualization platform is just straight up masochistic, not to mention potentially dangerous from a security standpoint.

I agree that talent > solutions, but if you want to retain that talent, you have to make their lives not miserable at work, which means sometimes having to purchase solutions to make their lives easier.

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[–] uid0gid0@lemmy.world 31 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Broadcom used to be a worthwhile company, but now their whole M.O. seems to be buying up mature solutions and price-gouging the companies that rely on those solutions. They sell off the parts they can't price gouge with and then the solutions stagnate. They did it with CA, and again with Symantec, and now it's VMware's turn.

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[–] penquin@lemm.ee 29 points 11 months ago (2 children)

They paid $61B for it, they're going to do everything in the book to make it back.

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[–] SimonSaysStuff@lemmy.world 23 points 11 months ago (5 children)

I first deployed ESX back in 2003 and from then on I was a huge fan of VMware. So, watching Broadcoms changes unfold is a little sad.

What i really wanted to ask is, for meduim to large enterprises that want on-prem infrastructures what are their options nowadays? I don't work in this area any more so I'm out of touch.

[–] JonsJava@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago

Linux KVM. I've used it on bare metal production servers for years.

[–] netburnr@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

My bet is Nutanix is going to grow a lot over the next few years.

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[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

for meduim to large enterprises that want on-prem infrastructures what are their options nowadays?

Proxmox probably comes the closest, there's also...HyperV (gross)

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[–] lightnegative@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The enshittifications will continue until morale improves

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[–] Brkdncr@sh.itjust.works 20 points 11 months ago (11 children)

I tasked my VAR to find out what our pricing is going to look like in 2024 when our support agreement is up. They said VMware is a mess right now, do t expect a response soon. I need time to migrate and decide if I’m sticking with on-prem or moving god damn workloads to some cloud. This is a fucking shitshow. I fucking hate shareholders.

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[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago

Good thing I just dumped them for proxmox.

[–] LainOfTheWired@lemy.lol 15 points 11 months ago

Ah another company ruining the company they just acquired

[–] fuckstick@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago

Is anyone really shocked? They publicly stated months ago that 70% of VMware’s profits come from Fortune 500 companies and that’s what they would focus on.

[–] CriticalMiss@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

I saw this starting to happen around 2 years ago when they first hinted at this purchase. Instantly bought proxmox licenses (which are very cheap, by the way, in case you need help convincing some management people) for our hypervisors and haven’t looked back since. Very satisfied, very glad I’m not a VMware shop anymore.

[–] packetloss@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

We just renewed support for our socket based perpetual licences for 3 years. This gives us plenty of time to find an alternative solution.

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[–] Kushia@lemmy.ml 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Anyone know if QEmu or any other solutions 3D support is near or as good as VMWare Workstation yet?

[–] moonpiedumplings@programming.dev 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Gpu passthrough, if you can do that will always be most performant.

If you want the qemu/kvm equivalent of what vmware workstation does, than look into virtualgl, which is very good (a wine port on android uses this to get good performace without direct access to host hardware), but it still may not be everything you want.

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[–] ichbinjasokreativ@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Not directly my experience, but qemu/KVM is used for VM-gaming with near bare metal performance

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