amd didn't care a few years ago, but their drivers are open, so the community can fix it even if the company don't care(now amd care a lot more, so it's better) nvidia is a closed source crap, and it don't give a fuck too

And they can't get all those sweet sweet tracking data they get from Windows users

I cannot wait until architecture-agnostic ML libraries are dominant and I can kiss CUDA goodbye for good

I really hope this happens. After being on Nvidia for over a decade (960 for 5 years and similar midrange cards before that), I finally went AMD at the end of last year. Then of course AI burst onto the scene this year, and I've not yet managed to get stable diffusion running to the point it's made me wonder if I might have made a bad choice.

Yeah they don't hate Linux, they just have their own priorities. That said I'm running Nvidia+Wayland happily, for desktop they have worked a lot more on Wayland this year, the upcoming driver fixes a bunch of things, and my distrib handled driver installation and updates, I never have to think about it.

This is my life now.

But not the fancy machine learning acceleration

I did have many regrets. Mainly overheating and the card eventually failing on me. Funny how these large companies ship their shit to "third world countries" so that people have a lower chance of returning their POS

I want to turn my cheap card into an expensive card with little programming

I’m gonna be that person…

Well, you are not alone. While I too would prefer not to use proprietary drivers, I have had no problems on any of my Nvidia machines as well. Ironically, despite the open source drivers, getting a 7900XTX card up and running was an issue for me for months till distros caught up (with newer kernels and mesa libs), while my 4090 installation was a breeze even on the day it was released.

A lot of problems people have with Nvidia GPUs seem to be installation related. I think that is because the installation tends to be distro-specific and people do not necessarily follow the correct procedure for their distro or try installing the drivers directly from the Nvidia site as they would on Windows. For example, Fedora requires you to add RPMFusion, Debian needs non-free to be added to sources, Linux Mint lets you install the proprietary drivers but only after the first boot, and so on. Pop OS! probably makes the process the easiest with their Nvidia-specific ISO.

Minimal issues here. Set up Arch, install nVidia, add build hooks before next kernel update, carry on.

Relevant xkxd

For what it's worth, NVIDIA's failings on Linux tend to be mostly in the desktop experience. As a compute device driven by cuda and not responsible for the display buffer, they work plenty good. Enterprise will not be running hardware GUI or DEs on the machines that do the AI work, if at all.

Nvidia is a breeze on linux vs amd. cuda is the only thing meaningfully supported across Windows and Linux. I fought with my 6900xt for so long trying to get ROCm working that I eventually bought a used 1080ti just to do the AI/ML stuff I wanted to do. I threw that into a server and had everything up and running in literally 10 minutes (and 5 minutes was making proxmox pass the gpu through to the VM).

People want to bitch about nvidia, but their entire ecosystem is better than AMD. The documentation is better and the tooling is better. On paper AMD is competitive but in practice Nvidia has so much more going for it--especially if you are doing any sort of AI/ML.

There are some benefits to to amd on linux; its the reason I replaced my 3070ti for a 6900xt. But that experience taught me: 1. AMD isn't as good on linux as people give it credit for 2. nvidia isn't as bad on linux as people blame it for. You trade different issues. Eg. Lose nvenc and cant use amf unless you use the amdpro driver not the open source one. if you use the pro driver you immediately lose half the benefits of the open source driver which is probably why you switch to amd on linux to begin with. So if you game, you can't stream with a decent encoder--so you have to play with settings and throw cpu horsepower at it.

But hey, my DE doesn't stutter and I dont have to do kludgy workarounds to get some games to play.

Their enterprise stuff works like a charm on Linux

When I built my pc, I made sure to get AMD because of the nvidia outcry from the linux community. Thank goodness I got a 6800xt. I haven't had any problems with it. It worked straight out of the box.

Even when we all perish, this meme will remain.

Yes. Whenever it's fitting to say "fuck Nvidia!" So likely forever and ever and always.

You could just as yourself: has anything changed or is the situation still the same?

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>But yet, it seems like the majority of Linux users have nvidia anyway.

Probably becouse it's more popular among windows users, so when most people switch to linux from Windows, they use the hardware they already had, which more often than not includes an nvidia GPU

Nvidia seems to hate everybody except Windows for some reason.

It's called money. Microsoft and all these big tech companies have lots of agreements with eachother to support certain choices and ignore others. This is also why Lenovo has very limited choice of amd processors, and if they put that in, it's in a model with other serious flaws.

Those are different drivers, or rather different parts of the driver.

CUDA has been a staple in HPC for years now and the situation didn't exactly improve.

Linus Torvalds, creator of the linux kernel, flips the bird to nvidia and they deserve it

It's the creator of the linux kernel. In the video he quote says "fuck you nvidia" lol

Other people have already told you who Linus is but if you want some context for the image it was from a Q&A: https://youtu.be/dmfDaxYhi9I?t=2864

Go to 47:46 if the link starts you at the beginning of the video (he starts to do the hand gesture at 49:28).