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[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Give Ukraine offensive weapons. Unless Moscow is under real threat, they have no reason to ever stop. 

[–] Krause@lemmygrad.ml -2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

yes, we need to get more and more people killed, 100 billion dollars didn't do the job but 100 more ought to be enough to quench the westerner thirst for blood

[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Right, because “The West” is responsible for Russia’s illegal invasion of another sovereign nation, lmao.

Take that crap someplace else.

[–] brain_in_a_box@hexbear.net 5 points 11 months ago

What a complete non-sequitur

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Literally is but go off king

And lol what do you think is a legal invasion? One where they file the paperwork?

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 4 points 11 months ago

A legal invasion is like how I raided my own liquor cabinet last night.

[–] TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 5 points 11 months ago

*lemmygrad.ml

[–] mihies@kbin.social 5 points 11 months ago

You are right, though. Ukraine needs more and better weapons to kick Russians out. There are only two possible outcomes, either Russia conquers Ukraine or they are kicked out. Instead of giving the edge to Ukraine, west is playing on perpetual war, so the war industry profits - at least it looks like that. And of course, blood is mostly on Putin's hands.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 4 points 11 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


The push for a fresh approach comes after Ukraine’s monthslong counteroffensive failed in its goal of retaking territory lost to the invading Russian army and after weeks of often tense encounters between top American officials and their Ukrainian counterparts.

The United States is stepping up the face-to-face military advice it provides to Ukraine, dispatching a three-star general to Kyiv to spend considerable time on the ground.

Administration officials argue that Mr. Putin is betting on diminished American support, pointing to his recent statements that if Ukraine runs out of NATO-provided ammunition, Russia would prevail in days.

They are searching for creative ways to keep Russia off balance with attacks against arms factories, weapons depots and train lines for moving munitions, and to score symbolic victories.

U.S. and Ukrainian officials said the victory was small but significant, a step toward cutting through Russian lines and pushing to the Black Sea, splitting the Kremlin’s supply routes.

“They have to fight smartly and efficiently,” said Michael Kofman, a senior fellow in the Russia and Eurasia program at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, who recently visited Ukraine.


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[–] Trudge@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The counteroffensive didn't fail. Ukraine made significant gains and Russia's military capacity crumbled at this point.

This article doesn't pass the smell test - it's Kremlin propaganda. Is China behind all of this?

[–] NightOwl@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

it’s Kremlin propaganda. Is China behind all of this?

The well-known Kremlin outlet the New York Times. Nothing but Putin talking points from them.

[–] TheLepidopterists@hexbear.net 2 points 11 months ago

Chinese Kremlin propaganda no less

[–] mihies@kbin.social 2 points 11 months ago

Failure or not depends on the goals. And by that it probably failed as they were aiming for retaking Crimea or at least split it in half. Also a lot of ground taken during counteroffensive is now lost again due to Russian offensive. Sadly so.