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!religiouscringe@midwest.social
It's ironic that you're saying this when just a few days ago people were complaining about the lack of criticism towards Islam.
It's probably due to the fact that some people who criticized Islam on these posts are brigaded by downvotes in their comment history. Basically a fuck you to these zealots who think we give a fuck about their religion.
Because fuck them too
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Christianity in most countries is on the decline and doesn't actively do really bad shit anymore... unlike Islam, wich is used today as excuses for war, dictatorships, slavery, child marriage, rape, executions and what not. Also its a very strongly proselytized religion that tries hard to spread and sees all other religions or believes as wrong/inferior or as reason to kill the person (especially when Jewish)
So all in all, Ew.
I think of it like this white collar crime (Christians) VS blue collar crime (Islam). Both can devastate communities, but blue collar feels more immediate and worse.
Being that more people than ever are getting online and becoming more able to access technology, we are seeing how Izlam is the world's biggest religion next to Xtianity. This should be very alarming, not because something other than Xtianity is so big, but because these mother fuckers are very forward in saying they want us dead and to rule the world with a sharia fist.
i won't defend the religion but you are mistaking a majority of muslims with a minority of maniacal hotheads. Most muslims don't give a damn about your life or death and a great majority of them don't want to live under sharia either.
we should learn to hate the religion without hating people and not confuse the two.
Believers of any religion come in exactly two varieties: extremists and those who provide aid and cover for extremists. The nice old lady down the street doing a bake sale and donating the proceeds to her church is still supporting an institution that hides child molesters, robs the community of their time, money and critical thinking skills and advocates for harmful public policy that strips people of their rights. That last piece is supposed to be prohibited by 501(c)(3) rules in the US but I'm not holding my breath waiting to see those enforced.
The only wing of the government that enforces the separation of church and state is the IRS. If you can send them proof of political action or anything that violates 501(c)(3), the IRS will want that tax money SOOOO FAST.
The FFRF has been trying. I checked a few of the ones in the list and still see them listed as 501(c)(3) organizations so either there's stuff happening behind the scenes or their letter went straight to the circular file.
A little off topic but if you want to get (c) rather than (c), you can use a backslash before either or both the open or close parenthesis and it'll be skipped by the markdown parser. It should look like this in the editor: \(c), (c\) or \(c\).
I was more meaning on an individual church basis. If you can get pictures of your local church saying "vote Trump", then that specific church can lose their status. No church can survive it.
Can you find any examples of a church losing their 501(c)(3) designation or other tax exemptions due to violations of the Johnson amendment aside from the one back in 1992 ("Church at Pierce Creek", see also Branch Ministries v. Rossotti)? Revocation was in 1995 for their actions in 1992 and the decision was upheld in 2000 after the church made its appeals. I could be missing something but that's the only case I could dig up where the IRS has followed through.
From what I can tell, the IRS has very little interest in pursuing this sort of thing once the word "church" hits the paperwork. Would love to be proven wrong though.
I guess I misspoke and it depends on how you define "losing status". These churches have accountants who must recommend that they not break the law.
https://www.newsweek.com/pastor-greg-locke-claims-he-gave-tax-exempt-status-church-1709615
So there's no confusion on what I'm talking about, there are cases where churches have been telling members (wink/nudge optional) how to vote either in support or opposition to particular parties and candidates. The IRS has a guide to how their restrictions are intended to be applied so I'm not asking you to take my word for the interpretation. I'll refer you back to the list of churches that the FFRF submitted after this Texas Tribune article a few comments up for examples of violations of these rules. Hopefully that clarifies where I'm getting my definitions and why it seems to me that the IRS has not been active in their enforcement.
I am familiar with Greg Locke and the Global Vision Bible Church. We'll never know if the IRS would have taken corrective action if Locke hadn't apparently gone through the 501(c)(3) revocation process. He may have been attempting to get ahead of enforcement or it could have been the sort of headline-grabbing stunt he's known for. Whether or not some churches have accountants who provide advice on following the law, it is clear that there is still politicking going on in violation of the Johnson amendment. While the IRS has provided their guidance on the subject, there is little evidence to suggest that they're willing to do more than that aside from a single case with a single church 28 years ago.
I will not be attending churches in my area to verify that they aren't breaking the rules since I am not interested in their message and, even if they were and if it was reported, I do not believe that the IRS would do anything about it. We might just end up disagreeing on how these issues play out but in my opinion, your statements that "no church can survive it" and "...the IRS will want that tax money SOOOO FAST" (i.e. the IRS would follow up with enforcement actions, please correct me if that is not what you meant) do not hold water.
go talk to her. Ask her why she is doing what she does. Communicate with that nice old lady instead of writing in an atheist bubble of an online community.
Just because I do one doesn't mean I can't do the other.
You talk like Muslim is a race. It is not. And I am talking about ALL Muslims, just like I'm talking about ALL Xtians. They may not say it to your face, but they aim to take over the world. The reasonable ones are naive and will be culled like the rest of us. This isn't a joke. It is not some conspiracy theory. It's what is happening. Look at the all-muslim city counsel in Michigan. Look at the Evangelists elected all over the country. Fuck religion. Any and all. And brother, let me tell you, they want us dead. Well, the feeling is mutual.
you should go talk to some muslims. I seriously advise you to. If you can, travel. Heal yourself.
what you write indeed sounds like a conspiracy theory.
Oh fuck off.
no, thank you.
Do you know what Taqqiya is? I'm not surprised the people trying to spread their religion or blend in with a new population are willing to lie to you, they're instructed to.
who is instructing them? Still conspiracy 🤦
people are just trying to get by
I wouldn't be surprised if some of it is coming off the news of the suicide bombing that was carried out by IS in Pakistan. But another part of it could be that one post got popular and so you will see posts following the trends.
On an atheism community you can't expect people to only post about one religion. Maybe something you can do to tie it to your experiences is try and connect the commonalities that tend to infect all major religions. I think its interesting finding those foundational aspects of many mainstream religions and seeing how they use similar tactics and controlling techniques amongst their congregants.
A person who is raised in one version of a restrictive Abrahamic religion is upset their online space to vent about it is also visited by people who are raised in another version of a restrictive Abrahamic religion who want to vet about their experience as well.
Rather than see them as cousins with the same issue, they see them as the other, not realising they are repeating the indoctrination of the religion they claim to have left behind.
So you're saying that there's people here that were raised in muslim dominated societies and are posting the anti muslim posts? I wouldn't have any issue with that. But so far in this thread nobody said this was their experience.
So I still believe that it's people who were raised like me posting the anti muslim memes.
Ffs you do not need to have personally suffered to point out problems. I wasn't raised in an Islamic tradition either that doesn't mean I can't yell about it.
Do you need to have been raised in Clearwater, FL in order to criticize Scientologists or Salt Lake City, UT to criticize Mormons?
The Lanky guy should do more posts on Hinduism, Buddhism, and Christianity.
Here's my hypothesis. People have little contact to Muslims and the way Islam is being usually practiced. Thus people's opinion of Islam is heavily influenced by the worst shit and stereotypes. With Christianity most people have friends or relatives that are "moderate" christians or whatever. So the worst versions of Christianity are less present.
It's a different flavor of the same shit. The sooner we can wipe and flush, the better off we'll all be.
Islam just gets treated with kiddie gloves alot of the time, so when there's a platform that enables proper criticism of Islam people take the opportunity to vent.
We are free of the mods of reddit who would defend Islam.
I live in a Muslim-majority country where Islam is sometimes referred to as “hotel California” - you can convert into it but never out of it.
More posts about Islam, please.
Damn I am sorry
No worries! I’m thankfully not born a Muslim. But I know countless closeted atheists here who are angry because they are forced to be Muslims in public. It’s a good thing that the Fediverse gives them the rare space to express themselves!