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[–] kvasir476@lemmy.world 97 points 10 months ago (36 children)

Hmm, I seem to recall US Intelligence swearing that Saddam Hussein definitely had WMDs and was definitely about to use them on his own people and we definitely needed to invade Iraq to stop him. US Intelligence is not a fact or truth seeking operation; its purpose is to further American imperial interests all else be damned.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 40 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Hasn't the IDF been in control of the hospital for like a month, and are yet to produce any evidence (those 3 rifles and the calendar don't count)?

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

They kidnapped the hospital director and tortured him until he confessed that he was Hamas. That's way better than video and photo evidence of the huge base they claimed was underneath the hospital.

Look at this cool video of this 3d animation the IDF made before they started attacking the hospital. That looks more realistic than real life. In fact it looks so realistic that actual video footage wouldn't do these tunnels justice. Which is why the IDF isn't providing it.

You can trust Bidens word. Surely he would never lie about completely unverified ridiculous Zionist claims

[–] Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org 27 points 10 months ago

They also insisted for years that a baby formula factory was a chemical weapons plant.

[–] Infiltrated_ad8271@kbin.social 25 points 10 months ago

They also reaffirmed and spread the hoax of the beheaded babies, even when the IDF had already denied it.

[–] breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca 15 points 10 months ago (1 children)

To be fair, they also said Russia was about to invade Ukraine and no one believed them.

[–] Jumi@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago

It's hard to believe someone's telling the truth if they lied about almost everything else.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Hopefully they're giving real intel to the decision makers, but anything released to the public is intended for influence purposes. Nothing in their mission requires or even encourages telling the general public true things.

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[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 43 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

Even if it did, and I wouldn't take Israels best ally as complitelly objective fact, you don't just bomb a whole hospital full of civilians

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

From the Israeli point of view yes you do.

Hospitals being a forbidden target is important, civilians dying is not, because they don't care about civilians.

It's sad to see how something intended to become a Jewish nation after 2k years and so on became a dumbed down pidgin version of 1950s' late European colonialism.

[–] Infiltrated_ad8271@kbin.social 13 points 10 months ago (6 children)

To defend that israel does not commit war crimes, I have seen zionists claim that if civilians are used for military purposes (involuntary human shield), they become valid military targets ._.

[–] Altofaltception@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Could that same argument be applied to army reservists in a country with mandatory military service?

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[–] Critical_Insight@feddit.uk 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Isn't this the same hospital Israel allegedly leveled a few months back?

Edit: Nope, it was Al-Ahli Arab hospital.

[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

The article says it's the attack from November

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[–] Marsupial@quokk.au 27 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Saddam’s WMDs were also hidden in the still to appear gigantic, impossible to avoid command centre tunnel network under the hospital.

[–] Bonesince1997@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Would you like a slice of yellow cake?

[–] steventhedev@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago (2 children)

AP have the most comprehensive coverage of the document, which is not publicly available. Two sections in jump out to me:

“The U.S. Intelligence Community is confident in its judgment on this topic and has independently corroborated information on HAMAS and PIJ’s use of the hospital complex for a variety of purposes related to its campaign against Israel,” the assessment states. It continues that it believes the groups “used the al-Shifa hospital complex and sites beneath it to house command infrastructure, exercise certain command and control activities, store some weapons, and hold at least a few hostages.”

And

The U.S. believes that Hamas members evacuated days before Israel raided the complex on Nov. 15 and that they destroyed sensitive documents and electronics before Israeli troops entered the facility.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 14 points 10 months ago (3 children)

And the source of the intelligence is probably Israel itself?

[–] Altofaltception@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago
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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

Lol, it's declassified, but not public. Do words mean nothing anymore?

[–] AFaithfulNihilist@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Did they use the part of the hospital Israel built to be a bunker as their command center?

Are we considering armed guards at hospitals to be war crimes now, because Israel built that bunker and definitely stations armed guards at all of its hospitals.

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[–] wurzelgummidge@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago (2 children)
[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago (2 children)

The actual news here is the declassified document. Which according to the article is just a note saying we believe the IDF.

Yup totally confidence inspiring.

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[–] Gazumi@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

This "news" only really serves as justification for the blowing up of hospitals and civilians

[–] ashar@infosec.pub 6 points 10 months ago

The evidence was a chair and a rope on the floor in a bombed portion of the hospital.

[–] ShroOmeric@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Please, they've been parrotting Israeli propaganda since day one. Their words mean nothing.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 4 points 10 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


U.S. spy agencies believe that Hamas and another Palestinian group fighting Israel used Al-Shifa Hospital in Gaza to command forces and hold some hostages, according to new American intelligence declassified on Tuesday.

The hospital was the focus of a large Israel Defense Forces effort in November to take control of the facility, an operation that came under intense international scrutiny and criticism.

But critics said the military operation effectively cut off and shut down a crucial part of Gaza’s medical network with little evidence that Hamas was using the hospital as a command post.

A senior U.S. intelligence official said on Tuesday that the American government continued to believe that Hamas used the hospital complex and sites beneath it to exercise command and control activities, store weapons and hold “at least a few hostages.”

A humanitarian team lead by the World Health Organization, which visited Al-Shifa immediately after Israeli forces stormed the hospital, called it a “death zone.”

While the spy agencies provided no visual evidence, a U.S. official said they were confident in their assessment because it was based on information collected by Israel and America’s own intelligence, gathered independently.


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