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[-] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 92 points 10 months ago

I'm probably just speaking for myself, but this particular dynamic actually makes me feel better about supporting Biden. I think Joe Biden himself is a contemptible dumbass whose policy imagination is stuck in a past that never even actually existed, but I think he's had to surround himself with a lot of staffers in their 20s 30s and 40s who aren't so terminally dense on things like Israel and student loans and reproductive healthcare and labor unions, and they can actually make him evolve and be a little bit less of a boomer than he otherwise would be. Hopefully they're able to keep the pressure up.

[-] DigitalTraveler42@lemmy.world 57 points 10 months ago

Exactly, Trunp would be purging these people from his administration, and wouldn't be holding Israel back at all, if anything Trump might send troops in or order some strikes himself just to feel like he's partipating in the slaughter.

Biden has shown that he's movable on issues whereas Trump would just take a sharpie to those issues, or worse, far worse.

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[-] fidodo@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago

I don't think he's a dumbass, I think he's a man in his 80s that hasn't/can't adapt to the times and needs more convincing than should be necessary. I honestly think his heart is in the right place, but he's just too damn old.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

I honestly think his heart is in the right place, but he’s just too damn old.

There's no "right place" for a heart that supports genocide to be.

[-] Potatofish@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

And yet, he's still getting my vote over Trump.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

I bitterly resent those who placed me in a situation where my choices are "genocide" and "more genocide."

[-] the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago

Yeah m, and the worst of them have the audacity to be moral about it too.

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[-] conquer4@lemmy.world 53 points 10 months ago

Here's the annoying thing about our system: so what? If you stop supporting Biden, and trump gets re-elected, congrats, you now have an extreme Isreal supporter in office who would give nukes to Isreal. By being fed up with the current administration, you would have shot your own cause by withdrawing.

[-] PugJesus@kbin.social 20 points 10 months ago

Deeper than the system, unfortunately. A supermajority of Americans are still extremely pro-Israel. Some for batshit insane religious reasons, others for reasons of ignorance. A few out of pure malice, one presumes.

[-] AnneBonny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 10 months ago

Americans are pro-Israel because, for the past 75 years, we've been taught and told that all the Arabs and/or Muslims want to destroy Israel and we are the only country that can prevent that from happening.

For the majority of Americans, it is not religion or ignorance, it is simply political dogma.

[-] PugJesus@kbin.social 13 points 10 months ago

America wasn't particularly friendly towards Israel until the 70s, though.

And to be fair, much of the Arab world has wanted to destroy Israel.

We have little sway in that matter, though. Israel survived before we lent them assistance, and they were much worse off back then, and their enemies much more determined.

[-] NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social 10 points 10 months ago

Good! The let’s stop selling them weapons, withdraw our carriers, and let them deal with the consequences of their actions on their own.

It is really fucking easy to do what you want, to be ho you want, with no repercussions when you have the worlds strongest military backing you.

The little fuckers wouldn’t have enough balls to do what they have been doing without our backing.

For fucks sake, they are so scared and cowardly that they are shooting innocent hostages, with their shirts off, hands up and a white flag in them.

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[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Older Americans inherited the post WW2 mentality to support Israel. And they couldn't say anything critical for fear of being called anti-Semitic.

Younger Americans don't have this and laugh at the attempts to call criticism anti-Semitic. (The exception are religious people who support Israel because Bible something.)

It's a generational thing. That's why support for Israel is falling.

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[-] watson387@sopuli.xyz 37 points 10 months ago

Biden is going to hand the 2024 election to Trump on a golden platter if he doesn't change course, even though everyone who isn't braindead knows Trump would be doing exactly the same.

[-] PugJesus@kbin.social 24 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

everyone who isn’t braindead

So a significant minority of voters

[-] cmbabul@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

I don’t even know if I would say significant anymore, we’re gold fish in this country

[-] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago

It's almost like we've undermined our public education system, built an economy that keeps most of us pretty close to survival mode most of the time, and we're constantly deluged with commerical and political advertisements that are designed to manipulate and mislead us or something

[-] Candelestine@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Unfortunately it's extremely geographic. We're pretty singular, but which "single thing" you get varies tremendously depending on where you are.

If you live in San Fran, "everyone" is a certain way. If you live in the rural heartland, "everyone" is the opposite.

On top of that, the number of people that can and are willing to speak the language of both sides is vanishingly small, due to the rhetoric and style of one side being extremely distasteful to the other.

I think ranked choice voting is probably our best, most realistic shot forward, by reducing the importance of the hard liners in the primaries.

[-] Shiggles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago

The problem is it isn’t “both sides” when neither side really represents, I hope, most people. Ten years ago “republican” didn’t really have to imply mouth breathing fox news fanatic, and “democrat” continues more and more to mean “everybody that would be considered left in a european country but also the moderate right that don’t want to gas immigrants”. Any “side” has several if not dozens of wildly different and often barely compatible ideologies, thanks to our two party system.

To speak to a republican you have to simultaneously be prepared for them to casually support some horrific extremist idea, just be a sexist and/or racist insecure twat, or to just want less of their money going to government programs they don’t agree with.

Ranked choice voting, or frankly any voting style besides first past the post is the only way to fix that.

[-] Candelestine@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

That's a good point. It's important to remember that each party is a huge coalition of different voters with different priorities, and there's even independents in the middle.

That said, I still think it's important that we stop hiding from and shunning what we perceive as evil, and start facing it down and punching it in the gut. With words, ideally, while we still can. It is possible to simply help people to see things in new ways, it's just hard and unpleasant.

[-] june@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Trump would be trying to send troops. Both to Israel and Russia. I’m convinced of it.

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[-] shikitohno@kbin.social 15 points 10 months ago

This is great and all, but it doesn't mean too much if Biden doesn't actually care to correct course. There have been plenty of protests already showing the current policy is increasingly opposed by significant sections of the population, yet they're only making the most token efforts at any sort of real change in their stance towards Israel. If tens of thousands of people turning out for protests on the matter don't get it through the heads of Biden and other Democrats that this stance is untenable, I don't see why we should expect he'll suddenly start listening for a few staffers sending a stern letter.

In all likelihood, they'll hold the line on this, then when Democrats lose the next elections, they'll blame it on racists, antisemites, more leftist candidates spoiling their chances, or literally anything but doing some reflection and realizing some of their long-held positions are now deeply unpopular with a significant portion of their voter base.

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[-] iterable@sh.itjust.works 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

At minimum the US could be a shield and help. Bring food and medical supplies as well as lifting out critically injured. You would also think if the US military was in there Israel would not be so reckless.

[-] PugJesus@kbin.social 15 points 10 months ago

Israel doesn't give a shit. They've domed American citizens in the past for the crime of being in Gaza. What's a few more?

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago
[-] Quadhammer@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

Shot in the head

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

I'm sure they're all Russian children who don't know how government works engaging in astroturfing because they want Trump to win.

[-] bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social 5 points 10 months ago

10/10

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[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 2 points 10 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


“It’s pretty extraordinary levels of dissent,” said Josh Paul, a career official working on arms sales at the state department who resigned in protest in October, of the mounting signs of discontent.

“I cannot stay silent as this administration turns a blind eye to the atrocities committed against innocent Palestinian lives,” he wrote in announcing his resignation from his position as adviser to its policy planning office.

But the acute situation in Gaza caused by Israel’s ongoing operations, which have killed more than 22,000 Palestinians, along with risks of famine and severely restricted medical care, have overshadowed any purported shifts in US policy.

This week, the secretary of state, Antony Blinken, will travel to the Middle East “to underscore the importance of protecting civilian lives in Israel and the West Bank and Gaza”.

Paul, the senior state department career official who resigned in protest in October, said he’s in contact with several people currently in government who are thinking about leaving over Biden’s handling of Israel.

Habash’s resignation, coupled with the 3 January letter from current campaign staff, comes amid fears that Biden could be losing important members of his base as the 2024 presidential election begins in earnest.


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