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[–] Speculater@lemmy.world 123 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Maybe stop hiring based on whether people use or used drugs?

[–] OprahsedCreature@lemmy.ml 51 points 9 months ago (2 children)

In the tech world drug users, particularly of hallucinogens, probably make up the top 10%.

[–] JDubbleu@programming.dev 4 points 9 months ago

Obviously this is anecdotal, but of my friends in tech (early to late 20s) I'm the only one who has not used hallucinogens or psychedelics. I don't think a single one of their salaries (not TC) are under $150k.

[–] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Isn't that more on the artsy side of tech?

[–] JDubbleu@programming.dev 3 points 9 months ago

No. The majority are taking federally illegal drugs in some capacity.

73% have taken weed in some form in the past year according to a quick Google search compared to 43% of Americans. The California bay area (tech capital of the world) is also very open minded to drugs. I've been to many parties here with people openly using cocaine, shrooms, molly, and acid. Never felt unsafe or concerned for anyone because even at large parties (500+ people) people are always looking out for others and keeping everyone safe.

I honestly didn't believe recreational cocaine use was a thing until moving here and it absolutely blew my mind. I'll personally never touch it, but to each their own.

[–] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 39 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah, honestly this shit is why I have avoided government jobs. I’m not really a drug user… just don’t like idea that I need to disclose the exact date and time of every time I ever did use one. Also, the pay sucks. So, the options are jump through hoops and have the government audit your personal life, or don’t and get paid more for that decision.

Republicans hate the government and government workers though, so they don’t even care that this policy costs the US Government talent.

[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

How in the world is someone supposed to remember each and every time they smoked a bowl?? Shit I can barely remember what I had for lunch yesterday, and I don't really smoke much anymore.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 5 points 9 months ago

Thats not something they ask. It's "have you used these drugs, in this time frame" Yes is a no go. But they do ask you to recount every job you have ever held, who your friends were each year and where you lived your whole life.

[–] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 18 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Even more so... Maybe stop requiring ridiculously formal attire?

[–] trougnouf@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I wouldn't go as far as moreso but yes!

[–] 0xD@infosec.pub 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I work in exactly this field and I can go to work in shorts and a tank top because it's about my expertise, not the material or its form I choose to wear. I had to go to work in a suit in a previous job and I'll never ever accept that again.

[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 4 points 9 months ago

To an extent, I can understand not wanting to hire someone if they have an active substance dependency issue, especially for mission critical government work. But why are we still chastising people that had a bit too much fun in college?

[–] bhmnscmm@lemmy.world 44 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (9 children)

I understand that the US is likely vulnerable to cyber attack, but is a widespread attack by China likely in the immediate future?

I mean, let's say China does disable infrastructure, banking, etc in a coordinated and widespread attack. But then what? An attack on that scale is an act of war, and I doubt China would be willing to follow up with military action at this time.

Perhaps this is more of a preventive MAD type strategy? Essentially a warning to the US to not mess with China, or else these are the consequences.

[–] eighthourlunch@kbin.social 32 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Given trade, it doesn't seem to be in their best interest to cripple the US.

[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

Let us face squarely the paradox that the world which goes to war is a world, usually genuinely desiring peace. War is the outcome, not mainly of evil intentions, but on the whole of good intentions which miscarry or are frustrated. It is made not usually by evil men knowing themselves to be wrong, but is the outcome of policies pursued by good men usually passionately convinced that they are right.

—Norman Angell, author of The Great Illusion

[–] jqubed@lemmy.world 24 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I think a lot of American planners expect the next war to be against China more than Russia, most likely as part of efforts to reclaim Taiwan militarily. Whether that actually happens or not, China seems to be trying to build a military that can win against the U.S., either by matching strengths or some more asymmetric means. I think I saw a story recently that China was constructing mockups of American navy ships in a desert that seem to be for war gaming, as an example.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Had a long talk with a very intelligent, young, Navy SIGINT guy last New Years. He's been out there, intercepting and working on signal intelligence. Basically said, "China is the enemy, and they're far more able and serious than you think. Can't say much more, take it or leave it."

[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

China is still mostly poor and rural. For all of their economic expansion things are still basic there for most people.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

If 75% of China's population is poor and rural, that other 25% is still higher than USA's population, which also includes poor and rural people.

[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That's debatable, but that doesn't have much bearing on China's military capabilities. Their urban canters are very much developed. You could also say that much of the US is rural and poor, while our military has been involving themselves all over the world for a long time.

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[–] WanderingVentra@lemm.ee 6 points 9 months ago (9 children)

Idk if Taiwan would be worth the war, at least not more than supplying Ukraine who's fighting Russia, which has done way more damage to our country recently. We need to catch up on our local chip manufacturing capabilities fast first, though.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

Right after they had that Asia pacific summit in SF, suddenly there was very little news about threats to Taiwan, and there was a lot of news about new chip manufacturing setting up in like Arizona and Utah or something. Which makes me think we are going to let China take Taiwan.

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[–] Hegar@kbin.social 12 points 9 months ago

No, it's not likely at all unless we get into an open conflict. Then cyber warfare will be just one arena of conflict. But I think most estimates are that that would be disastrous for us, china and the world so it's unlikely for now.

It's way more likely that the fbi want more money or are repeating some talking point to push an agenda or as a political favor.

[–] sheogorath@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

That being said, if America ever plunges into a civil war it would be the best time for them to cripple the US infrastructure and do anything they want to Taiwan and SEA while having the US consumed in an infighting.

[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 3 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Isnt it about being prepared for if they are in a state of war?

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[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 44 points 9 months ago (1 children)

America always needs a boogeyman. Maybe having all infrastructure connected to the internet and letting security sloppy contractors open access isn't a good idea either.

Meanwhile US citizens go without healthcare.

[–] Dra@lemmy.zip 14 points 9 months ago

This is it. This headline has been true since 2009.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 35 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Here we go again... Point the finger at other countries while spying massively on the entire world.

[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 30 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I mean, yeah, I get that the US isn’t blameless across the board—or at all—but you’re drawing lines between two disparate things. Yes, spying is bad. We are agreed. Yes, the US is in deep with it. But what does that have to do with vulnerable infrastructure?

That’s like saying, “how can you sit there and tell me not to burn your house down when you stalk your ex girlfriend?”

Like….both are wrong. But they’re just not 1:1

[–] FrankTheHealer@lemmy.world 28 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Every cyber security and software dev that got fired over the past year: fucking sick, where do we sign up.

[–] Delta_V@lemmy.world 32 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Maybe requiring computer nerds to not smoke weed if they want to work for Uncle Sam isn't the best national security strategy.

[–] GladiusB@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

The devil's lettuce?! In my Christian Minecraft server?

[–] slumberlust@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

They recently reduced requirements for gov cyber security roles.

[–] trolololol@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

I'm oblivious but I'm going to guess it was the technical skills requirements

[–] omega_x3@lemmy.world 24 points 9 months ago

Maybe not being the same asshole that always cries that there aren't enough back doors in encryption if he is so worried about hackers.

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 19 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I know a lot of people interested in infosec, but none of them want to be cops/feds.

[–] 0xD@infosec.pub 9 points 9 months ago

Removing those draconic entry requirements would be a start.

[–] crystalmerchant@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago

...now give us billions please kthanks

[–] Reddfugee42@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Manually attacking your adversary is so 1900s. Train a MASSIVE ai on every classified hacking methodology/procedure document in existence, give it the adversary's IP ?range, and press GO.

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[–] half_built_pyramids@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

What's the pop ratio us vs China? Ball park 400mil vs 1.4 bil?

That's like us is 30% just for an easy number.

So there's like 1 us people to 3 or 4 China people.

And somehow this sector is 1 to 50. That's wild.

Most people I know barely know how to use excel and they'd die before leaning xlookup. Let alone Kali or something to run some ops.

I know a little about this world. Uncle in the Navy communications side. They have programs for this stuff. Marines can pick their field or whatever and they have a program too. Seems like a pretty simple fix to make those orders pay better if they really need bodies.

Seems like some wild numbers to throw around. Like 50 to 1 feels a little China outnumber us type xenophobic.

[–] return2ozma@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

“To quantify what we’re up against, the PRC has a bigger hacking program than that of every major nation combined,” the FBI director said.

“In fact, if you took every single one of the FBI cyber agents and intelligence analysts and focus them exclusively on the China threat, China’s hackers would still outnumber FBI cyber personnel by at least 50-to1.”

[–] DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 9 months ago

Maybe we should continue to be friends. 😉

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