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Lemmy users lack nuace and it stops actual discussion. (lemmy.world)

submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) by RedAggroBest@lemmy.world to c/unpopularopinion@lemmy.world

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I seriously cannot have any degree of nuanced conversation here.

Like I get it, we all know capitalism is bad, but it feels like every time I or anyone go towards discussing the steps that need to be taken to address current looming problems in the short term, someone has to jump in and shut it down with "capitalism bad >:[ " and tear down any idea presented because its not complete and total destruction of the current economic model.

The result just feels like an echo chamber where no actual solutions get presented other than someone posting whole ass dissertations on their 33-step (where 30/33 steps are about as vague as "we'll just handle it") plan to fully convert the world to an anarchist commune.

Edit: I still vastly prefer Lemmy and the fediverse and a whole, my complaint here is that many of you are TOO INTENSE. You blow up small scale discussion.

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[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Actual discussion on what?

You've said you don’t like people being unhappy with the system they're forced to live under, and that it annoys you that we talk about it? We have solutions, we have two centuries of theory and historical examples, its not our job to teach you all of this if you're not willing to learn it yourself. Its not hard to find this information online, why should we always engage in intense debate? It was exhausting on reddit and 99% of the time it ends in bad faith arguments and you've wasted an hour of your time on someone who was nothing worth more than a ‘k’ and moving on.

If you so desperately want to see other content, foster it yourself. You could start your own community or instance and put in the hard work to see what you want to on the Fediverse. Its no one else's job to cater to you, you have the tools use them.

Frankly I fucking love this place, it’s the closest to what the Internet felt like 30 years ago and my interactions with most people have been bloody enjoyable.

[–] Paragone@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

What you are describing is a correct "image" of human-nature.

It also is a correct understanding of why humankind won't get its viability in-order until it's far far far too late to make any difference.

There are 1 or 2 papers, recently, on how human-nature is reactive to obvious-problems, and how that makes it impossible to prevent ClimatePunctuation, as I call it, from killing either all or nearly-all of our kind from this planet/system.

Nuance & considered-reason, both, have no place in imprinted animal-reaction, which is what is displacing considered-reason from our world, now.

"dog whistle" is just a euphamism for imprinted/programmed animal-reaction, limbic-mind's displacement for considered-reason.

Daniel Kahneman's "Thinking Fast & Slow" is the most important psychology-book in our world, right now, it is on this 2-system basis of our minds..

All the intense-but-not-actual/workable enforcing of ideology-addicts.. it'll never save us.

fundamentally, consider that addiction is a mechanism, not a problem: addiction-to-integrity is a Good Thing(tm), right?

Addiction-to-growing-up, addiction-to-wisdom, addiction-to-outgrowing-ignorance, addiction-to-being-a-proper-parent, etc..

But that is nuance.

Try telling any of the ideology-addicts whose ideology is centered on "addiction" that addiction is just an impersonal-mechanism, and it is what-the-addiction-is-TO that can be a problem .. and you'll discover how rabid/automatic/closed minds can be.

shruggeth

No matter: if life is what human-ignorance need eradicate from this world, then .. eventually .. life'll try again, elsewhere.

An eldless stream of Universes, filled with worlds, it doesn't matter if we won't earn considered-reason, does it?

It'll happen somewhere..

someday..

Statistically, it must, right?

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