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And so it begins. Nine months still to go before the next US presidential election and already the Republican party favourite and former President Donald Trump is sending eyes rolling skywards with his seemingly outlandish statements.

And yet they will delight many of his supporters.

Suggesting at a rally in South Carolina that he would "encourage" aggressors (for example Russia) "to do whatever the hell they want" with Nato countries that fail to pay their dues has prompted an immediate slap down from the White House. A spokesman called the comment "appalling and unhinged", saying it was "encouraging invasions of our closest allies by murderous regimes".

Nato Secretary-general Jens Stoltenberg has also responded forcefully, saying: "Any suggestion that allies will not defend each other undermines all of our security, including that of the US, and puts American and European soldiers at increased risk."

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[–] dhork@lemmy.world 120 points 9 months ago (16 children)

But we are going to elect him anyway, because the other guy forgot a thing once. Just like we elected him 8 years ago, because the other one ran her own email server.

[–] spider@lemmy.nz 28 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

You forgot this:

How Clinton lost Michigan — and blew the election

"They believed they were more experienced, which they were. They believed they were smarter, which they weren't," said Donnie Fowler, who was consulting for the Democratic National Committee during the final months of the campaign. "They believed they had better information, which they didn't."

Rollins doesn't need a recount to understand why Clinton lost the state. "When you don't reach out to community folk and reach out to precinct campaigns and district organizations that know where the votes are, then you're going to have problems," she said.

[–] Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world 30 points 9 months ago (3 children)

She ran a shit campaign. Everyone likes to forget that part

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 41 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Everyone also likes to forget that she won the poplar vote. She lost the electoral college, an anti-democratic institution that Democrats seem to think is really important to keep, despite the fact that keeping it often makes them impotent.

[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It frankly doesn't matter whether they want to keep it or not. It would take a constitutional convention to change and in the current climate that's going to go make things worse, not better.

[–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 11 points 9 months ago (10 children)

There is one interesting workaround I've heard about from time to time, the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact. It's a state-level agreement where all the participating member states commit to allocating their electoral college votes to whomever won the popular vote nationally. No need for a constitutional convention since the allocation of electoral college votes is in the hands of state governments, they can decide to do this under the existing constitution.

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[–] Glitchington@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

"Pokemon GO to the polls." causes me physical pain to think about.

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[–] NobodyElse@sh.itjust.works 19 points 9 months ago (6 children)

We’re going to get Trump again (barf) because the DNC insists on running shit candidates and refuses to acknowledge that they are bad, instead insisting that the voters are just too ignorant to understand how good their candidates really are.

Hillary Clinton was a horrible candidate: immensely unpopular even with the Democrat base, running on a status quo platform right in the wake of disappointment with Obama’s failure to deliver on “hope and change”, and acting as if she was somehow entitled to the position.

Biden is not as bad as Clinton in most ways, but is utterly lackluster and feels more like a moderate Republican. His unwavering support for Israel during their campaign of atrocities is despicable and shameful. The fact that he’s totally ancient and losing his mind isn’t helpful in the least. Why can’t we have a more compelling candidate from the DNC?!

This post will get modded down and ignored, as will the incredibly common and widespread sentiment that it expresses, and we will get Trump again as the nation and the DNC acts shocked yet again. It’s so predictable and infuriating.

[–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 57 points 9 months ago (15 children)

His unwavering support for Israel during their campaign of atrocities is despicable and shameful.

If we're going to get Trump again it's in part because of the absolutely all-or-nothing brook-no-compromise attitude of voters. Like this, for example. Biden's support has not been unwavering, he's criticized Israel's actions. But not enough for you, and so he gets no credit whatsoever for any moderation he might have. And that's why you say he "feels like a Republican" to you, because someone can only be 100% totally on your side or they must be on the other side.

I'd love for there to be a viable fully-progressive candidate who happened to agree with everything I believe in. I'd also love to have a pet unicorn. When elections actually roll around in reality, though, none of the candidates are going to be perfect. And unfortunately in many first-past-the-post electorates the system is set up in such a way that there are only two viable candidates. So pick the one that's closest to your views. Push for better candidates in the primary, of course, but accept that you won't always get everything you want.

[–] Toldry@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

All the people critisizing """Genocide Joe""" give me a aneurysm when cosidering their alternative:

Attacking Biden, Ben Gvir says Trump would have been more supportive of Israel

National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir harshly criticized the Biden administration’s handling of the war in Gaza, accusing it of benefitting Hamas and arguing that Israel would have been better off dealing with a second Trump administration.

“Instead of giving us his full backing, [President Joe] Biden is busy with giving humanitarian aid and fuel, which goes to Hamas,” Ben Gvir declared in an interview with the Wall Street Journal published on Sunday. “If Trump was in power, the U.S. conduct would be completely different.”

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[–] rusticus@lemm.ee 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Get out of reddit and take your reasonable pragmatic opinion with you.

[–] Pan_Ziemniak@midwest.social 21 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Thats what i did. Day one, and im already banned from world news on Lemmy as well now. For calling out russian talking points when they came up.

[–] rusticus@lemm.ee 8 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Then you're doing it right my friend. Hexbear and lemmy.world are overrun by Putin sympathizers who want nothing more than chaos and the continued decline of western democracy.

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[–] rayyy@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

Biden has actually done a lot to restrain Israel but the MSM fails, as usual because outrage sells. Too bad people just run with whatever is on hand.

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[–] Illuminostro@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

Fuck Putin.

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[–] twistypencil@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago

Not if we beat the drum about him being insane, instead of letting him get away with it as just another wacky thing

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[–] fidodo@lemmy.world 84 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Did Trump mean what he said? Probably not. This is typical Trump fare. Say something provocative, grab some headlines, outrage your critics and thrill your fans.

Oh bull fucking shit, don't downplay his idiocy and danger

[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 18 points 9 months ago

Yeah... his understanding of his own lunatic words and actions is of very little consequence when compared their real world impact.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 82 points 9 months ago (1 children)

"Appalling and unhinged" describes the vast majority of things Trump has said in the last decade or 2.

[–] Sweetpeaches69@lemmy.world 20 points 9 months ago

But here's the cool thing: it's somehow going to get worse!

[–] twistypencil@lemmy.world 57 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Can we all agree to say Trump has dementia, and constantly hound him, his supporters and gop about this, beating the drum non stop, instead of just pointing out his wild statements when they come up, we need to question his sanity constantly like they do about Biden senility. If rather have a forgetful old man, than a bonafide lunatic

[–] HighElfMage@lemmy.world 41 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The good news is that Biden isn't even a forgetful old man. The media just takes every normal slip up he makes and runs it non-stop.

[–] Diplomjodler@feddit.de 32 points 9 months ago (1 children)

He's in pretty good shape for his age, both mentally and physically. I'd still rather have somebody younger. On the other hand, I genuinely cannot think of anyone less qualified than the Orange Baboon.

[–] HighElfMage@lemmy.world 22 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I would rather have an actual orange baboon as president than Donald Trump.

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[–] NABDad@lemmy.world 23 points 9 months ago (2 children)
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[–] VampyreOfNazareth@lemm.ee 54 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] Wahots@pawb.social 25 points 9 months ago (2 children)

We can only hope he has a stroke before the election. A massive one.

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[–] Jakdracula@lemmy.world 35 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That tracks, because Trump is appalling and unhinged.

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[–] spider@lemmy.nz 32 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Suggesting at a rally in South Carolina that he would "encourage" aggressors (for example Russia) "to do whatever the hell they want" with Nato countries that fail to pay their dues

I would "encourage" people to piss on Trump's grave when he's dead.

[–] Hyperreality@kbin.social 15 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I would encourage America to piss on his grave while he's still alive.

[–] StructuredPair@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago

According to the dossier, he might like that.

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[–] HurlingDurling@lemmy.world 29 points 9 months ago (8 children)

I am honestly scared and I don't think society (not just the US) would really survive if this turd becomes reelected a second time.

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[–] ef9357@lemmy.sdf.org 28 points 9 months ago (6 children)
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[–] Wahots@pawb.social 28 points 9 months ago

Vote. Get all your friends and family to vote. Four more years should buy us enough time while his power is waning.

If there was ever an election that was important to vote and be clear-eyed in, it's this one.

[–] ItsMeSpez@lemmy.world 26 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Why should we, America, carry the burden of defending Europe when it won't pay for its own defence?

I love this sentiment simply because the idea that the US would be spending less on the military if they weren't in NATO is ridiculous. There's no stopping US military spending without absolutely crippling the US economy. Other NATO members spending more on their militaries will not save the US taxpayer a dime.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 9 points 9 months ago

I's about selling more weapons made by the US military industrial complex to NATO countries. Which does bring more money into the US economy, but only by growing the military industrial complex larger.

Kinda like franchising out McDonald's but with more death machines involved.

But personally, I like Ike, "Beware the military industrial complex."

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[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 26 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I hope this time around he won't be able to hide behind "he doesn't mean it, he'd never actually do that"

[–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

I don't think anything Donnie says correlates with reality. Does that mean we shouldn't worry? Fuck no! He's a disaster.

[–] rusticus@lemm.ee 12 points 9 months ago (8 children)

If the US is stupid enough to elect this idiot a second time, then we deserve to become the banana republic we've instituted in countless other countries. I'm not too worried about it. He lost by 7 million votes in 2020 and about 1 million of his voters died with COVID. Plus I know at least a few percentage points of his voters that will not vote for him again. And I don't know ANYONE that hasn't voted for him before that are now interested in giving him their vote. It will take unprecedented election interference for Trump to win the electoral vote (there's not a chance he wins the popular).

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[–] sebinspace@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

The fuck else is new

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