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For as long as schools have policed hairstyles as part of their dress codes, some students have seen the rules as attempts to deny their cultural and religious identities.

Nowhere have school rules on hair been a bigger flashpoint than in Texas, where a trial this week is set to determine whether high school administrators can continue punishing a Black teenager for refusing to cut his hair. The 18-year-old student, Darryl George, who wears his hair in locs tied atop his head, has been kept out of his classroom since the start of the school year.

To school administrators, strict dress codes can be tools for promoting uniformity and discipline. But advocates say the codes disproportionately affect students of color and the punishments disrupt learning. Under pressure, many schools in Texas have removed boys-only hair length rules, while hundreds of districts maintain hair restrictions written into their dress codes.

Schools that enforce strict dress codes have higher rates of punishment that take students away from learning, such as suspensions and expulsions, according to an October 2022 report from the Government Accountability Office. The report called on the U.S. Department of Education to provide resources to help schools design more equitable dress codes.

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[–] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 93 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (9 children)

I don't believe in dress codes being of benefit, but this is strictly Texas being a dick.

I was in the Army (for school, the cause sucked), and African American soldiers were often CORRECTLY given a shaving profile, aka a waiver due to ingrown hair shaving issues especially in field conditions, and it wasn't a deal. At all. In the fucking military, the (understandably) pedant, rule follower, uniformity kings.

The Texas government just doesn't want to make reasonable accommodations because they're racist pieces of shit who believe they can legislate those outside their rigid, white nationalist, stepford aspiring in-group out of existence.

[–] lobut@lemmy.ca 12 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I've never had a school uniform but someone told me that it could help hide "class" differences if someone were not able to dress their child as well. I'm not sure how well I buy that but it sounded like a possible benefit.

[–] gramathy@lemmy.ml 9 points 9 months ago

Uniforms for me weren’t explicit but more “polo shirt and pants” so it was less a uniform and more a very strict dress code - this was also only in middle school so that kinda tracks with when kids can be some of the most vicious about it

[–] shuzuko@midwest.social 9 points 9 months ago

It doesn't work. You can still always tell the kids who have new uniforms vs those who had to buy second hand, or those who have designer backpacks or shoes from those who have Walmart versions. The rich kids who were raised to be assholes will still find something to look down on the poor kids about. Best friend was stuck in private school for years and hated it because of this.

[–] variants@possumpat.io 4 points 9 months ago

I could see how ot could hide class but then now you have to buy more clothes

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[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 59 points 9 months ago (1 children)

funny its only the deep south where black kids are given this kind of treatment.

might be racist? these kids are being punished for not looking white enough, and the schools admins get to snicker in their racism.

[–] greybeard@lemmy.one 9 points 9 months ago

Racist? No, some of their best servants are black.

[–] BreakDecks@lemmy.ml 29 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Why would hair, a part of a person's body, be a part of a dress code? White people are fucking insane...

[–] orrk@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

how else would discriminate against "people" (hint: they don't see dark skinned people as people)

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[–] GnomeKat@lemmy.blahaj.zone 29 points 9 months ago (4 children)

The article and comments seem to be primarily focused on the racist aspects of dress codes. I just wanted to chime in and point out they are also very transphobic and queerphobic and are very often used as a way of punishing queer people. So multiple axes of oppression involved with dress codes.

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[–] radicalautonomy@lemmy.world 22 points 9 months ago (6 children)

I've been teaching for almost 20 years. Dress codes do not promote discipline whatsoever. Administrators mete out disciplinary measures when students don't follow the dress code, to be sure, but the only thing the dress code serves to do is promote conformity.

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[–] HornedMeatBeast@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I come from a country with school uniforms and I hated it.

Felt more like a way to control us and/or it was all about the schoool's image.

Our hair had to follow certain rules, short, no colour, no gel.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago

School uniforms are a related, but different, issue. School dress codes in the U.S. do allow freedom to wear some of what you want, but many of the restrictions are arbitrary "no hats" or antiquated "skirts must be below the knee." And many of the dress codes are intentionally designed to favor things like white people's hair without caring about the legitimate physical issues black people might have with those hair codes. Many are also designed to shame girls.

[–] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Yeah we had them in Australia and they fucking suck so bad, not to mention it’s more expensive buying the school clothes you can only ever really wear at school.

Also had rules around hair, makeup, etc. but I didn’t really run into them too much.

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[–] AquaTofana@lemmy.world 20 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Even the military has recognized that certain hairstyles are worse on different ethnicities hair, and has subsequently relaxed the standards since I've been active.

The military, which is all about uniformity and "discipline", can see that different cultures have different hair treatments/needs, and not everything has to be "all Caucasian, all the time".

And yet our K-12 schools can't seem to do that?! Like wtf?

[–] chatokun@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Oh they know. Discipline doesn't mean punishment for wrong deeds, it means forceful changes in any behavior, concepts, or ideas that the one executing the discipline dislikes. Disrespecting your "betters" is always a part of this too. I got pulled over once because I passed a police office. He was going under the speed limit so u went the speed limit and passed him. His reason was not showing due respect.

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[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'm native on my mother's side and I'd get the same thing about Mohawk style haircuts and how they're "inappropriate and against code". Back in those days you couldn't do much but deal with their racist rules

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[–] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

Bruv, how you gonna punish a black kid for his hair? That’s fucked.

[–] Sorgan71@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I think some codes are reasonable, mainly those that promote hygiene, which kids are notoriously bad at.

[–] ParadoxSeahorse@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

There is no helping children’s hygiene except through education, rules won’t do shit

[–] ABoxOfPhotons@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

Rules are an enforcement method instilling education of the consequences of not following the rules.

[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (7 children)

can you give me some examples of that? I've never seen a policy that your clothes had to be clean but maybe that's because I never went to look for that sort of thing

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[–] fastandcurious@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

Dress codes are a great excuse for racism against anyone you hate, if they really want it it should be more like ‘wear simple and not overly colorful clothes’ or something like that, rather than ‘that hairstyle is not allowed, noo how dare you cover your head!’, this can be done in numerous ways

[–] _number8_@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago

discipline is a bullshit virtue to promote. innate subjection to authority is not something to foster in children

[–] random9@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

I went to highschool for 1 year in the UK, where a uniform was mandatory for every student.

I can assure you, it does not promote discipline in any way. Kids fight, do stupid things, and skip classes regardless of how they're dressed.

[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I wish my k-12 experience had a dress code. Nothing crazy. No hair requirement nonsense. Just everyone, every gender, wears the same polo/tshirt, and the same pants. Makeup is fine, whatever. 1) cost effective. 2) no thinking in the morning. I don’t think discipline has anything to do with it, and that shouldn’t be the focus.

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[–] Grass@sh.itjust.works 5 points 9 months ago

Fuck dress code mostly, but honestly I'd have been fine with school uniforms if they were free, comfortable, not hideous or obviously designed by an old pedo with a uniform fetish, have pockets and no functionality affecting design flaws, and we got enough to wear while others were in laundry. Or if you could exchange for a clean one at school, like jobs with uniform service.

Forcing hair style though is a fuck that. In real life there are like 2 situations that can justify hairstyle mandates and even then only in a very limited manner, food handling jobs the hair should fit in a hairnet and potentially beard net, and trades and other labour jobs that need respirators which require full shave for definitive functionality and short ish hair with machinery that can pull your hair or beard in and kill you. I had a very far back hair line from a young age and every hair style looks like shit on me, so I wouldn't care for myself generally as maintaining it is a meritless endeavour that I wish could be automated. Now if they covered my hair cut or had a decent on call barber every now and then students could visit for a basic haircut if they didn't already have a hairstyle they maintain themselves, that would have been sick. Go to school, get a hair cut and uniform exchange in the free block, grab a bowl noodle from locker and hot water from caf or the student advice lounge. Maybe I wouldn't have hated 90% of school and just 70 ish instead.

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