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[–] uphillbothways@kbin.social 86 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

"But deflation can hurt economic growth, as consumers will delay purchasing products if they think they will be cheaper in future."
Not if people are already mostly only buying what they need to survive.

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

LOL. "I think I'll starve because I bet I can save 3.5% on food prices in a month"

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[–] CannotSleep420@lemmygrad.ml 57 points 1 year ago (3 children)

With all of this deflation, how is China supposed to send more balloons?

[–] KIM_JONG_JUICEBOX@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago

They’ll just start buying cheaper balloons from China.

[–] socsa@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

F22 doesn't want to be fed. F22 wants to hunt.

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[–] TrismegistusMx@lemmy.world 42 points 1 year ago (23 children)

Using the word "deflation" like it's a bad thing for citizens to be able to afford the things they need to live. That's capitalist propaganda for you. We're only happy when the blessedly wealthy get to have a good life.

[–] enragedchowder@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

You don’t see how it’s a bad thing for people to have zero incentive to put money back into the economy? Everyone hoarding money and trying to spend as little as possible will surely have good results!

[–] agitatedpotato@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

People still need things, just because their money is getting more valuable doesn't mean they're gonna skip this weeks groceries, the next haircut, car repairs, etc. This isn't a problem that's going to grind an economy to a halt, especially a command economy. The more worrying thing for China I'd imagine would be the total exports dropping which is also supposedly happening.

[–] SeaJ@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

That grocer likely has loans which are now much more expensive in real terms. Same with the farmer who sells their goods to the grocer. The manufacturer of parts to repair cars also has them. With deflation, all of them bring in less money but have increased real costs. So they cut costs by paying workers less or more likely laying them off. It's good for banks though. They have loans out that now get amazing returns and can simply stop loaning money out because just having the money sit their provides a pretty good return.

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[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

So long as unemployment stays relatively stable, deflation might be a good thing for us. If unemployment rises significantly as a result of deflation, then the discounts we'd get might not be worth the lost income. Since employers control employment in the lack of unions, they hold the power to remove income from workers to offset the falling profits that result from deflation. I wouldn't mind extra deflation if I lived in a union country.

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[–] Wanderer@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Deflation is a bad thing. It also doesn't necessarily mean things get more affordable for people.

It's a serious issue and is not good for the country or the people in the country.

In fact it's usual that the central banks main goal is to stop deflation. That's why central banks are usually separated from government policy also. Deflation is such a huge concern the central bank can overrule the wishes of the government and put in measures that will lead to a recession. Deflation is worse than recessions.

Economics is a lot more complicated than all the memes on this website of. Capitalism bad, communism good.

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[–] Parodper@foros.fediverso.gal 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's a bad thing because the economy slows down and companies have less income, which means less pay for the workers.

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[–] TrudeauCastroson@hexbear.net 33 points 1 year ago (2 children)

In an economy as tightly controlled as China, how much does deflation even matter?

Also I wonder how everywhere else having inflation will interact with this. Is China just getting affected because the rest of the world can't afford basic necessities anymore? The article kinda touches on reduced demand from countries with inflation abroad causing this, but also doesn't really explain anything other than going "lower number is uh bad"

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

China has built out enough infrastructure where it really needs consumer demand to take over as a major economic engine.

[–] theodewere@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

it matters to the people whose lives it impacts, and they're not going to be happy about the impacts.. of course deflation can occur.. they will try to use artificial means to control it, but they will still have to choose how to pay for things.. they can't produce things for free just because the economy is controlled.. it's a dire circumstance for them as their property market collapses, and unemployment is at insane levels.. deflation is a nightmare in that scenario, because it is the further contraction of an already faltering market..

[–] shutz@lemmy.ca 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If the deflation is just a market correction after exaggerated inflation (retailers raising their prices more than general inflation to increase their short term subs) then it's no big deal. Prolonged deflation can be bad, as that causes too much saving and not enough spending, which can really hurt the economy and people because of how it takes money out of circulation.

In an economy, the more money can circulate, the more good it can do. I use my salary to pay for for and things, that money then pays the employees of the businesses I went to, and those employees also spent that money, and so on. At each step, both participants normally get a net benefit: I can eat, and the employee can also spend the money they get from me to eat, etc. As long as the money circulates, it keeps doing good. When it stops circulating, due to being put into savings, investments or real estate, it stops doing good (or it does less good). The cycle slows down or stops.

That's why a small amount of inflation (maybe 1-2% ? Not sure what's optimal) is actually healthy, because it puts pressure on people with money to spend it before it loses its value, instead of hoarding it.

[–] doylio@lemmy.ca 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is the opinion of most macro economists today, but it's not universally accepted. Macro-economics is not nearly as scientific as micro-economics, and some people will say that its models are just about who can tell the most convincing story (or the story that's the most convenient for those in power)

There are some people who point out that things like electronics have been undergoing rapid deflation for decades and this has not caused people to stop purchasing them. The economy is a chaotic system and anyone who claims to be able to predict it's outcomes is selling something

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"Won't someone think of the retailers?!"

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Guess which political economic form can handle price deflation gracefully (hint, it's not capitalism)

[–] alternative_factor@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

Ah yes, China, the city on a hill of Socialism where striking FOXCONN workers are beaten by cops.

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[–] knfrmity@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 1 year ago (5 children)

These would be problems if China had a liberal economic model. Fortunately they have whole process workers democracy, and these things aren't really problems at all.

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[–] Redex68@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My last two brain cells dying after seeing half of the comments saying that deflation is actually good.

[–] eskimofry@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

To be fair... us common folk keep hearing stuff about the economy.. but the only outcome at the end of the day is we get screwed in higher prices, lower wages, fucked up climate for our kids. People get tired pretending this Economy isn't rigged by wall street and the U.S Govt or people close to it.

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