I feel a lot more comfortable commenting here than anywhere else. Was always a lurker in reddit, but am a lot more active here. The feeling of not having your comment buried by thousands is kind of nice.
this post was submitted on 15 Mar 2024
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Eh, it still happens, but instead of thousands, it's dozens or hundreds, depending on the community and post.
But I do appreciate the smaller communities and complete lack of ads.
The algorithm for comments is better here too though. It favours the early commenter less than reddit did.
I think it goes too far the other way. I see a lot of comments with the default votes at the top, which are frequently less insightful than the highly upvoted comments below it.
It's completely fine for the scale lemmy is currently at, but I think it would be problematic with anything approaching Reddit scale.
Edit: fix typo: cord -> votes
That's intentional, reddit has probably the worst sorting algorithm of all the link aggregators. It's entirely time dependent. In practice, the first post / comment is nearly always the highest rated, regardless of it's quality.
https://minimaxir.com/2016/11/first-comment/
TL:DR of the above article: if you're not one of the first ten or so commenters in a reddit thread, don't even bother.
https://join-lemmy.org/docs/contributors/07-ranking-algo.html
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Ah, that's why I see heavily downvoted posts near the top.
I wonder if it would make sense to randomly sort for the first couple hours, and then sort by that metric afterward. That would further limit the first mover advantage in more popular communities.
Regardless, lemmy's sort seems to be fine with the scale it's currently at.
Default cord?
And I agree it may not scale properly however we're still far away from that and I think it's beneficial for growth now.
Default votes. As in, new posts float to the top, even if they don't have any actual votes.
It's good enough, I don't think we're at the point where it's "better than Reddit" because they operate at very different scales.
That's good. Keep that in mind next time you come across something interesting and consider posting it.
I like this too! There wasn’t much point in posting anything on an r/popular post because no one would see it. Here I feel like I’m actually contributing [which really helps my fragile self-esteem ;)]
There's also the whole fact that you're less likely to get downvoted and berated to hell on lemmy. Still happens sometimes though if you openly present as American
I'm a big fan of the Fediverse and Lemmy in particular. Thanks to the Fediverse, but mostly Lemmy, I was able to build my home lab and now when I walk around my house, the lights come on by themselves. I love the conversions I get into. I love the open nature of Lemmy and how you can look at the repositories and watch how it grows.
There's definitely things that can be better and I'm happy to be on the train.
My only true desire is to see more people and communities distributed across more instances.
Same. The spirit of the pre-corporate internet lives on here, and I find it very comforting and cozy.
Less bullshit from US is also a plus. Less "muh guns", "muh rights", "freedumb" and "here's why it's fine when US does/did bad things".
The reddit exodus increased these types but generally there's not a hoard of them yet.
Less American propaganda is nice too.
Yet it's still noticeable that people from the US are way overrepresented compared to all other countries.
You’re swapping it with more “all police are schwein”, “capitalism hasn’t ever done anything for anyone” and “the West is the wicked” though.
I’d prefer some balance in the middle.
As usual the early adopters set the precedent.
I CANT wait till the average joe discovers the fediverse! They won't know how shitty the regular web is until they join and actually use it.
Eh, I'm worried that success will bring out the worst in people. I'm of the opinion that SM doesn't suck because SM companies suck, but that SM sucks because people suck when in large groups. See Bystander Effect and Bandwagon Effect.
But I guess that's a good problem to have, we can't come up with solutions until we actually get a chance to try.
I think your worry about large groups of people is warranted. I do think that the Fediverse has the best chance of anywhere to overcome it, though. No algorithms and only mods/admins to contend with. I how that extra freedom will promote better problem-solving.
Hopefully. It's certainly an interesting experiment, and I'm here for it.
I disagree that people suck.
I think that enshittification on any SM platform, whether free and open, or built for commerce, happens when companies try to exploit it for commercial gain.
Take Usenet for example: At the beginning it was great, then spammers found they could post unlimited spam across the newsgroups for free, and it became shit, barring a few groups where mods had to work very hard to weed out the spam to keep them readable, but eventually collapsed, and people moved on to the new platforms.
Reddit, was built for ads and tracking its users to start with, so the gradual creep of enshittification was no surprise there.
And now we have nation-state backed disinformation campaigns to deal with in addition to commercial spam.
I could see Lemmy and the Fediverse in general taking a similar path to Usenet, if the devs, admins, and mods aren't vigilant about keeping bad actors out.
I like the Fediverse's guarantor feature for adding new instances, but we'll have to see how well it holds up under assault from spammers.
companies try to exploit it for commercial gain.
Or when individuals exploit it for personal gain (influencers, resumes, etc), political interest groups exploit it for political gain, state actors exploit it for national security reasons, etc. Just look at less popular subreddits on Reddit and you'll see a huge propensity toward echo chambers and manipulating people into thinking a certain way.
So yeah, people suck in large groups. Sometimes it's regular people doing the sucking (e.g. bystander effect when some choose to gaslight/bully others), and sometimes it's highly motivated groups of people doing the sucking (spam, misinformation, etc). But the larger the community gets, the more moderation is needed to counter the suck, and moderators themselves can add to the sucking.
I think the fediverse will struggle once it gets past a certain size, but hopefully I'm wrong. In the meantime, I (and probably others) are working on alternatives, so hopefully we'll have solutions if the fediverse doesn't work as expected.
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Reddit feels like you are in a thread of bots talking each other. And the thread sliding is so tiring.
It's really nice. I have no need to use anything else.
I've been on Lemmy since June and I haven't once seen a video of a dude punching a girl. It always made me queasy that shit was soooo popular on reddit.
As a former reddit user for over a decade... What??
So much of Reddit was shit like that.
User controlled social media, what the internet should have been on day one. We're taking the web back.
I've thought about it too ... but with federation it's a non issue.
Don't like X or Y community because of their toxicity? Block them!
Now use closed source apps and suffer. Seriously tho glad you are enjoying it.
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