Inspired by gregorum's post concerning issues with startrek.website, which is ironic as lemmy.world is a bit glitchy right now and isn't letting me upload and had to use my alt here.
this post was submitted on 16 Mar 2024
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If THIS is Star Trek, then it's all Star Trek.
Does that have to be Star Trek? Can we all acknowledge that Planet Scotland was just a fever dream?
Along with planet Ireland, planet Africa, planet Capitalism? It's a slippery slope.
Yes, but none of those have a ghost sex candle.
...terrible episode. Followed by "Move Along Home"
I appreciated how incredibly rational he was. His first reaction was, “This is all so silly, I must clearly be dreaming. I shall now scream myself awake!”
He did this again in Distant Voices. “I’m being mind-raped to death by a Lethian? Oh, I don’t think so! Take my 125 year old tennis serve, asshole!”
And again, at the near-end of DS9 with Chief O’Brien in tow when they both cybermindfucked Sloan to get the cure for the Changeling virus. (Yeah, they totally did that, and Sisko and Ezri watched at least part of it).
I also appreciated the almost hilarious irony in that he was, in an almost Doctor Who twist of fate, wrong. No, Dr. Bashir, you are, in fact, trapped in a silly alien game, and must sing and dance your way out of it.
Doctor Who, indeed.
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Especially this.
“Starfleet is weird”
— Janeway
No.
You have been banned from the community: Risa@startrek.website
That place looks like the Q Continuum when Q wanted to unalive himself.
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Oh man, I got banned from ST.W this morning. The mod was on a banning spree, banning people for any reason at all, with dubious reasons cited.
Being a mod on a random low-traffic forum is such a tiny amount of power. I can't believe people can let it go to their head.
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Is it tho? Other than the com badges, every random screenshot I see of Discovery looks like a totally different sci-fi franchise. Especially when the characters are holding phasers.
It, like every series before or concurrently, approaches the universe differently. They all have changes in style, effects, base premise, and acting. It's Trek all the same. Doesn't mean we have to like it.
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DS9 screenshots in isolation look a lot different from TOS. Things change.
Things change
I know, I've watched Picard season 3 -- everyone gets old, especially the guy watching! Oh wait ... 😕
Now you’re just being mean 😢
You're kind of right. Discovery S1 was trying to be a dark, prestige drama. It felt a lot more like BSG than Trek. I haven't watched it since it premiered but I don't remember hating it, though I didn't love it either.
They fired their show runner pretty early, so there is another tone shift from S2 onward. The tone becomes a lot more like the new-Trek movies, and later much more like Strange New Worlds. Take a look at screenshots from Season 4 compared to Season 1 to see just how much it shifted stylistically.
The real issue isn't aesthetic or tonal, it's that the writing is excruciating.
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Except the new movies.... That's not Star Trek
Sure it is. It may be flashier, have a larger budget, and largely miss the spirit of the series at that time... I had a point here somewhere.
Eh, pick and choose what bits you enjoy.
I liked the "hand held one person cross galaxy transporter that can move someone from Earth to Qo'noS that fundamentally changes all aspects of several galactic civilizations including the concept of space travel via starship, but is for some reason never used or mentioned again by anyone in the universe because Abrams clearly gave no fucks at all about the source material and just invented something so utterly 'not trek' because he wrote himself into a corner and didn't care about anything except the giant check he got."
That was my favorite part.
Figuring out a tech solution that could be applied to many other problems then completely forgetting about it in the next episode is what Star Trek is all about isn't it?
Especially when the transporter is involved. They've used the transporter to cure diseases, then forget about it later. Scotty was in a transporter pattern for decades putting him into a perfect stasis. Whey don't they do something like that for emergency situations if they're running out of air or food? Forgot about it. Riker got split into two different Rikers. Wouldn't the Dominion want to recreate this so they could quickly make millions of copies of fully trained Jem Hadar soldiers every time they rocked up to a planet they wanted to conquer? Guess they didn't think about that. That time O'Brien transported to a ship when the shields were up. Few episodes later "we can't beam over their shields are up!"
The list goes on and on.
I think it's firmly established that transporters are basically magic in Star Trek. They can do whatever an episode needs them to do and they can't do things whenever it would too easily solve a problem. If we're ten minute into an episode: "nope transporter can't do that even if it worked in a previous episode" Last 10 minutes of an episode: "We use the transporter by doing !"
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And then in the next movie they cured death!
His favorite part was also the giant check
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I liked them. They're the first time my wife got interested in Star Trek and an appreciation for sci-fi. It's very hard getting people into this stuff using old studio shows from the 20th century.
I've heard similar from others that it works as a wedge in the door. That's when you take the opportunity to slip in that DS9.
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By the sideburns of Season 3 Kirk, just have fun with whatever flavor of Trek you have and let's stop Elaan of Troyiusing over nothing. Let's bitch about the Animated Series instead!
She’s the reason I’m gay
Yeah, but without her, we wouldn't have-
Na fuck discovery specifically
And it's always Discovery when these posts are made, isn't it. Because Discovery never tried to be Star Trek in anything but name and when fans backlash, it's always the fans' fault, not the show's fault (Paramount/CBS astroturf the shit out of this online, imo). Picard sucks too for similar reasons, and I just said so on an internet forum. So what?
Maybe I wish these shows hadn't got made because they were a giant waste of resources, but at the end of the day, I'm still enjoying LD and SNW. But no, I can't tell the world what a pile of dogshit Discovery is, oh no, that makes me a shitty fan who deserves to be banned.
Speaking of which, let me tell you about /r/startrek - those assholes can fuck themselves and if startrek.website is infected with that particular mind virus, it can fuck itself too. Being intolerant of opinions about a stupid tv show is far worse than any particular opinion could possibly be.
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