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Japan prefectures drift away from posting disaster warnings on X (www.japantimes.co.jp)
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A growing number of prefectures have stopped posting disaster warnings on the platform due to limits on the number of free posts allowed.

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[-] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 70 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Imagine posting a hurricane coming your way and the message is:

  • blocked because Musk called it woke propaganda

  • hit the API ceiling and causes a server error

  • blocked since people need to an account and follow Elon first

  • new Twitter update breaks services... For the twelfth time.

  • filtered because the user has seen to many tweets in the past few hours

  • didn't have Twitter Blue/Red/Ultron so the message was supressed

[-] johannes@lemmy.jhjacobs.nl 64 points 1 year ago

I never understood why official goverment body’s do that anyway. Maintaining your own infra means you have full control. This should be mandatory for any government body. Not beeing dependant on big tech who make up silly rules as they please.

[-] infectoid@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago

I think most govt bodies do both.

They run and report on their own infrastructure and also report wherever else the masses are.

Really makes sense for govts to start running their own mastodon instances I reckon.

[-] johannes@lemmy.jhjacobs.nl 19 points 1 year ago

i read an article a few weeks ago that said that our (the Netherlands) government is working on its own Mastodon instance, i hope they actually pull through with that :)

[-] elvith@feddit.de 15 points 1 year ago

The German government also has its own instance: https://social.bund.de/public/local

Also here's the instance of the European Union: https://social.network.europa.eu/public/local

And the European Union even has a Peertube instance: https://tube.network.europa.eu/videos/local?c=true&s=2

[-] 8uurg@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

It is already up and running, you can see posts from various government agencies at https://social.overheid.nl/public/local

[-] auxim@artemis.camp 6 points 1 year ago

They have one now at social.overheid.nl which they seem to test at the moment. They have a few accounts such as Belastingdienst, KNMI, Rijkswaterstaat, MinBZK so I hope they’ll continue after the experiment phase is over.

[-] infectoid@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Yeah mastodon has come a long way. I hope your govt manages to pull it off just to prove it can be done.

Then I think many others will follow.

It really does make a lot of sense for govts. They have their instance and can then host accounts for all their departments. People from all over the Fediverse can then sub to them for updates.

[-] stopthatgirl7@kbin.social 24 points 1 year ago

Thing is, it made sense until Twitter got sold to a capricious billionaire. Twitter was very stable and their rules didn’t change much before then. The APIs made them an easy way to send out a lot of info in a popular, easily to access way. It worked well as a system for both government agencies and citizens, until Elon decided to stick his dick in it.

[-] masterairmagic@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 year ago

It never made sense. Government should not have favourites in social media. Everything government does should be on an open standard.

[-] johannes@lemmy.jhjacobs.nl 12 points 1 year ago

But thats exactly the problem :) some ego steps in and boom! As a foreign government you simply cant trust that a privatly owned company has your best interest at heart, and they shouldn’t.

[-] meldroc@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Yep. The BBC & NPR found that out. Notice that the BBC stood up their own Mastodon instance - they know the value of owning one's house instead of renting.

[-] Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 year ago

How often do you browse government sites?

It's easier to bring the information to the people than it is to bring the people to the information. Social Media is (has previously been...) perfect for that.

[-] johannes@lemmy.jhjacobs.nl 5 points 1 year ago

Fair point :)

[-] shirahara@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

Japanese local governments, let alone the central one, still have almost zero knowledge about the value of maintaining infrastructure which they should have full control. Virtually even discourses about it do not exist yet. Huge difference between the European governments.

[-] johannes@lemmy.jhjacobs.nl 6 points 1 year ago

The beauty of that is that knowledge can be transferred :) But i suppose they have to be willing first.

[-] shirahara@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Unless the governments would change radically how they see FOSS from a way of reducing money cost…

[-] stopthatgirl7@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Right? They’re still using floppy disks and fax machines.

[-] shirahara@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Fax machines are one of the main ways of communications there. I guess floppy disks are indeed partly used at municipal offices yet.

[-] stopthatgirl7@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Oh, very much so. There was a big news story about two years ago where a police officer lost a floppy disk that had a bunch of people’s personal information on it.

[-] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Well, all you have to do is convince the public to pay for it. Easy, peasy....

[-] johannes@lemmy.jhjacobs.nl 5 points 1 year ago

Given the amount of tax money thats beeing wasted already, its only a small drop in the ocean.

[-] meldroc@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Agreed - any competent municipal IT dept. can set up an instance without breaking a sweat - set up a VM, install your OS of choice, install Lemmy & its stack, set up the DB, register the domain, find some interns to moderate & do scut work. Not completely trivial, but within modest means.

[-] shirahara@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Japanese local governments, let alone the central one, still have almost zero knowledge about the value of maintaining infrastructure which they should have full control. Virtually even discourses about it do not exist yet. Huge difference from the European governments.

[-] athos77@kbin.social 35 points 1 year ago

It sounded weird that they'd have reached the 1500 monthly tweet limit so quickly, but apparently there's also a limit of 50 tweets per 24-hour period. In one prefecture that they use as an example, there are 45 cities, towns and villages, and each one needs it's own specific warning. So if a big storm comes through, they'd use up all their daily tweets on the first warning, and there'd be no room for updates. So that's what the issue was.

[-] SpeedLimit55@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Makes sense, a bunch of stuff on twitter is broken. We’ve had embedded twitter feeds (most recent 2 or 3 posts) on our work websites for years and they broke that functionality in June. I guess they didn’t want the extra traffic from website embeds?

[-] cley_faye@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago

Eh; I can trigger 429 errors that log me out of the service by just keeping the page open. I'm not sure of anyone is supposed to keep using the service for free in any official capacity.

[-] poudlardo@jlai.lu 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Did they choose an alternative?

[-] queerly_hot@kbin.social 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They are now relying more on other communication methods such as email, the Line messaging app, their official website, and the L-Alert system, which shares information to media outlets who broadcast it to citizens.

[-] higgsone@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Mastodon

[-] stopthatgirl7@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago

No, they haven’t. NERV is running its own Mastodon server, but that’s not run by any government agency and is a private company.

The different prefectures are still weighing options.

[-] ikidd@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

If I were in charge of disaster warnings, a distributed, redundant system like the Fediverse would seem to be the perfect option for a warning system.

But what do I know...

[-] mintiefresh@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

Ah I see. I hope they consider Mastodon or something similar.

[-] yui@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

NERV? Like the agency from Evangelion? I'm not too familiar with any other abbreviation than that haha.

[-] tiredofsametab@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I wish the government would do something. Preferably something that exists today, but I trust they'd want to make their own shitty app. At least then it'd be in one place, I suppose. Emergency alerts on phones are a thing for many people, but not everything is that level of emergency.

[-] 9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago

Toyko Drift

[-] darcy@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago

RSS!!!

[-] almightyGreek@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Tokyo drifts?

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