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What the heck is with the "-er" suffix?


"I'm a witcher."

"What does a witcher do?"

"I ~~create~~ ~~watch~~ ~~catch~~ ~~breed~~ ~~f***~~ hunt witches."

"I'm a birder."

"What does a birder do?"

"I ~~create~~ ~~catch~~ ~~hunt~~ ~~breed~~ ~~f***~~ watch birds."

"Actually I think several of those could apply..."


I think the confusing-ass formula is this:

A [word1]er is a [word2]er of [word1]s.

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[–] odium@programming.dev 34 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Geralt of rivia is a witcher who fucks witches

[–] CptEnder@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago

Lol yeah was gonna say post got it wrong, Witchers don't hunt witches they hunt monsters.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 3 points 7 months ago

I think create and breed are the only ones that don't apply there.

[–] MBM@lemmings.world 31 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Isn't witcher just a word that was made up for (the English translation of) the Witcher series?

[–] shneancy@lemmy.world 15 points 7 months ago

yes, the word wiedźmin was also made up so why not

[–] Siethron@lemmy.world 22 points 7 months ago (1 children)

So a mother is someone who watches moths?

[–] Dumbkid@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 7 months ago

They create moths

[–] Neato@ttrpg.network 18 points 7 months ago (4 children)
[–] orphiebaby@lemm.ee 14 points 7 months ago

A fucker of fucks, clearly.

[–] sukhmel@programming.dev 13 points 7 months ago

A giver of fucks

[–] recapitated@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

A fuck hunter

[–] XTL@sopuli.xyz 1 points 7 months ago

One who fucks.

[–] Boinkage@lemmy.world 17 points 7 months ago

Witcher is a silly thing to use as your first example, it's a made up word for a translated book. I can't think of another word that behaves like that. Making a mountain of a made up molehill. A Molehiller, I would call you.

[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 12 points 7 months ago (2 children)

A bouncer is a bouncer of bounce?

[–] rsuri@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago

A bouncer is a creator of bounce

[–] orphiebaby@lemm.ee 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Well, [word2] is probably not the same as [word1].

As an aside, the wonderful thing about Tiggers, is that Tiggers are tiggers of tiggs!

[–] 3volver@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

A badger verifies badge legitimacy.

[–] orphiebaby@lemm.ee 0 points 7 months ago

Or maybe he gives badges. Time to go find one O:

[–] Cosmos7349@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Wait so what's the word for "I f*** witches"? Asking for a friend.

[–] orphiebaby@lemm.ee 15 points 7 months ago (1 children)

"Witchbroomer", I think.

Although "Witchf***er" would make a great band name.

[–] Cosmos7349@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

I would go see that band. I expect heavy+aggressive drums and electric guitar.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I've always thought of it as "Xer" = "someone who Xes". X should be a verb. Builders build. Welders weld. Miners mine.

In the case of birder, birding is an activity, which I guess makes "bird" a verb ("to go birding"). "Witcher" was made up for the setting, but I guess "witch" is similarly a verb there.

[–] orphiebaby@lemm.ee -3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

What is "birding"? According to dictionary, it's breed, catch, or watch. Fishers fish, right? What is "to fish" really, though? To swim? To be a fish? I mean, you can't extrapolate it from the common verb as a rule, because that doesn't apply to "birding", does it?

So no, I don't think your over-simplification works.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It's not an over-simplification. This is literally just what the -er suffix does, besides the unrelated usage to make comparisons like "louder". Look up "agent noun" for more info.

What is “birding”? According to dictionary, it’s breed, catch, or watch.

The common usage is to watch birds. The extension of the verb "bird" into "birder" is also commonly understood to mean someone who watches birds.

What is “to fish” really, though? To swim? To be a fish?

What? It means to catch fish. I've never heard any other meaning? Again, it's not based on what a fish does, it's based on what the verb "fish" means, which is to catch fish.

I mean, you can’t extrapolate it from the common verb as a rule, because that doesn’t apply to “birding”, does it?

Ignoring the fact that "bird" is a verb with a fairly well-understood meaning, the reason "birder" or any other -er words are ambiguous is because the verbs are ambiguous. Words have multiple meanings... that's just something that they do. That doesn't change the overall rule that "birder" means "someone who birds", it just means you have to figure out which meaning of "bird" (as a verb) it's using.

[–] Stern@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago

I'm a lemmer.

[–] Sebeck012@feddit.nl 6 points 7 months ago
[–] lefixxx@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

~~he is actually a hexer in his native language~~

[–] shneancy@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago (2 children)

wiedźmin? what? no, who told you that? get a refund or something

wiedźma - witch

witcher is as literal of a translation as you can get

[–] magikmw@lemm.ee 5 points 7 months ago

Yeah and wiedźma has the same root as wiedzieć and to know in proto indo-european. He's a man of knowledge. About killing things out of this world.

Canonically witchers world coexists in our own multiverse and was similiar to our own reality, but thanks to some bonduary bluring between cosmic realms got tainted hundreds years ago by otherwordly magic and monsters.

So the whole witcher, wiedźmin name just indicates knowledge, an is likely a name given to them by common people instead of being an endonym.

[–] lefixxx@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

Huh some YouTuber I can't remember. TIL

[–] SrTobi@feddit.de 1 points 7 months ago (2 children)

What's the feminine form? Witchess?

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

Is -er masculine?

[–] shasta@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago

Nope because females are not allowed!

[–] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago

I was under the impression that Witcher is to be interpreted as the male form of Witch - a Witchman, basically. I think they even call Geralt a Witchman a few times in the games, come to think of it.