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[–] krayj@sh.itjust.works 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's funny, because the smarter someone is when they invent a deity, the fewer human flaws that deity suffers from....which means 'god' wasn't just invented by humans - but by absolutely stupid humans.

[–] Badass_panda@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

Ironically, it's more the equivalent of "tech debt". The older the deity is, the more the worship of that deity has changed over time, and so the more convoluted it gets ... because the religion is very different from itself over time.

E.g., the 8th century Yahweh wasn't a monotheistic god, he was just the specific god of a particular tribe. They didn't think of him as all knowing or all powerful, they just wanted a cool story to show how their tribal god was so tough he beat up the gods of the local superpower, sort of a "my dad can beat up your dad" thing. The concept of monotheism didn't show up in Jewish religion for another 300 or so years

[–] neoman4426@kbin.social 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don't forget the part of the story where YHWH literally mind controls the pharoah into not letting people go explicitly to have an excuse to do this. "hardened his heart, and the heart of his servants, that I might shew these my signs before him"

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If he wasn't going to give him a choice why bother with the asking bit?

[–] slacks9579@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

He was just really itching to punish someone, but his own people were already in some pretty hard times…

[–] Badass_panda@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hey, to be fair at the time the Exodus story was synthesized, it was a henotheistic religion, monotheism didn't show up for another couple hundred years!

So at the time, nobody thought of Yahweh as all knowing or all powerful, just possessed of "god-like" knowledge and power, and clearly tougher than the Egyptian gods (which were assumdd to be real, but you just weren't supposed to worship them) because he was able to kill all them Egyptian babies.

The blood-over-the-door was basically proof you were a paid-up subscriber to the Yahweh sacrifice plan. "Ah sweet you sacrificed a lamb, no baby murder for you fam."

[–] Rough_N_Ready@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

True. And yet Christians who believe that god is all-knowing and all-loving still believe this story and keep it canonized. The cognitive dissonance is palpable.

[–] jecxjo@midwest.social 11 points 1 year ago

Even when both Israrli and Egyptian archeologists agree the Exodus didnt happen. Nothing funnier than Christians telling other groups what they did.

[–] stevehobbes@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Hoo boy was the Old Testament god not all loving. It was all about obedience.

[–] Bonehead@kbin.social 20 points 1 year ago

It was all about obedience.

So is the New Testament. And the Qur'an. And the Book Of Mormon. It's all about blind obedience...

[–] jecxjo@midwest.social 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You know, Jesus only had the Old Testament god, that the one he was telling everyone to obey. Feels like the god of the New Testament was a retcon after Jesus (assuming he even existed).

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

As bad as OT god was the worse thing he would do is kill you, and you are going to die eventually anyhow. NT god invented hell.

[–] ekZepp@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I mean, shooting his "killer babies" ray from space and hit the right babies in a crowded metropoly is not an easy task. I'm sure the red paint helped with the aim.