71
submitted 6 months ago by jeffw@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world
all 33 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[-] rdyoung@lemmy.world 37 points 6 months ago

This is never going to be worth the investment. What is needed is more charging stations at rest stops, and points of interest off the highway. People can stop and top up their battery while they use the restroom, get some food, stretch their legs, etc.

[-] jeffw@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago

Worth the investment how? Traditional ROI? No, it won’t be. Encouraging adoption of EVs and reducing emissions? Quite possibly. There’s a concept called “Social ROI” that includes outside effects like that

[-] rdyoung@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I'm talking efficiency of the tech compared to standard chargers where everyone will have to park eventually, grocery stores, rest stops, hair salons, etc.

I'm not against spending money like this, my concern is that it's a waste of money that could be going to something else. Not to mention that cars on the road now aren't designed to take a charge while moving. Wireless charging in charging spots like places in Europe sure, that makes a lot more sense, but this makes no sense if you actually understand the tech needed to make this work.

[-] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 6 points 6 months ago

If the state is funding the project and and usage is covered by taxes, this could realistically be the future of individual transportation and widespread EV adoption, while also eliminating the need for charging depots. Where I could see this fall on its face is squabbling over how people pay for usage, and then consumers getting charged through the nose. But implemented properly in a public-minded way, this could be huge.

[-] rdyoung@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Do you have any idea how inefficient this is? You can't realistically charge a vehicle while it's moving at a rate that makes this kind of investment worth it.

Plus the cost to redo the road when it needs it.

[-] Postmortal_Pop@lemmy.world 31 points 6 months ago

When I read the headline my immediate thought was "roads now have subscription services" and the most upsetting part of that is that I wasn't even surprised.

[-] RiderExMachina@lemmy.ml 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Modern roads having subscription services aren't even new: we pay for our roads with gas tax, registration fees, parking fees, and congestion pricing... And it's still not enough, so we take from income and property tax to make up the difference.

[-] lemmus@lemmy.world 27 points 6 months ago

Maybe reduce the highway from 12 to 8 lanes and build a train line in the middle that can “charge” moving trains.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

As an Indiana resident, the vast, vast majority of our highways and interstates are two lanes each direction.

[-] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Also, the vast majority of Indiana residents would not know how to use a train. May not even know what it is.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago

Oh, we all know what trains are. They come through our towns constantly. Unfortunately, usually only carrying freight. But Amtrak does have a line going through Indianapolis and there is a commuter line running through a lot of northern Indiana, so it's not as dire as it could be.

It needs to be far better though.

[-] rusticus@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago

Boilermakers crying emoji.

[-] AToM_exe@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

And how would this magic train transport me to the Walmart parking lot? Does it also drive to my flat? No, I don't think so. /s

[-] Dontsendfeetpics@lemm.ee 5 points 6 months ago

Idk about the middle unless they can make it more convenient than Chicago’s passenger rail system. Sometimes you’ve gotta do this ridiculously long detour to cross the pedestrian bridge because they put transit stops in the middle of the highway. Like sorry but a highway is not a destination.

[-] tal@lemmy.today -4 points 6 months ago

In the US, trains are generally used for freight transport, not passenger transport.

[-] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 6 months ago

This has got to be about the least efficient way to charge a car. Are the going to put solar panels in the road to power the wireless car chargers so they can waste even more money?

[-] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 8 points 6 months ago

It's not to charge it, but to power it in such a way that it doesn't deplete the battery, especially on long distance trips. You'd obviously still need a battery for surface streets that aren't retrofitted, or for driveways, parking lots drive thrus, etc, but this could possibly negate the need for all of these charging stations everywhere. Hell if enough cars have those undercarriage receivers as on the article, charging your car could be as simple as parking over a stationary coil, no cord needed.

[-] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 6 months ago

Wireless charging isn't the most efficient in the best of conditions. The efficiency drops off rapidly as the distance between the coils is increased. The coils will have to be far enough under the road that they won't be destroyed by traffic and far enough off the ground to not get ripped off the car. Using wireless charging for something that requires 10's of kWh per charge is a terrible idea and will waste massive amounts of power. It's an even worse idea for stationary charging. People shouldn't be wasting all that power because the are too damn lazy to plug a cord in.

[-] OutsizedWalrus@lemmy.world -5 points 6 months ago

It’s still more efficient than an ICE car.

[-] porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 8 points 6 months ago
[-] Specal@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

Unless we figure out fusion and create infinite energy....

Just a few more centuries of break throughs

[-] tal@lemmy.today 3 points 6 months ago

I like the idea of just having a U-Haul-type system with battery trailers. Stop in, hitch up, do long-haul trip, drop off battery trailer.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago

I think the weight would be prohibitive if you're talking battery packs. However, an engine running on biodiesel fuel would work pretty well.

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 15 points 6 months ago

solar roadways vibes on this one

[-] WalnutLum@lemmy.ml 7 points 6 months ago

Wireless FRICKIN roadways!

Looking forward to this taking ten years and resulting in a single coil in front of a library stoplight

[-] dogslayeggs@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

That one still cracks me up. It's like the kind of thing a kid thinks sounds brilliant but is so easily torn apart under even the slightest bit of critical thought.

[-] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 6 months ago

This would require both

  1. Vehicles be made/modified to utilize this
  2. The roads be well maintained enough for this to not disintegrate in under a year

Neither is likely.

[-] bradorsomething@ttrpg.network 7 points 6 months ago

Being that this is Indiana, how long a cord are they designing?

[-] RainfallSonata@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

How long untill the state preemptively bans it from "all consolidated city-county municipalities?"

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago
[-] humorlessrepost@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

I’m getting SOLAR FREAKIN ROADWAYS vibes.

[-] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago

so, a railway ?

this post was submitted on 18 Apr 2024
71 points (96.1% liked)

News

23310 readers
3674 users here now

Welcome to the News community!

Rules:

1. Be civil


Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.


2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.


Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.


3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.


Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.


4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.


Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.


5. Only recent news is allowed.


Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.


6. All posts must be news articles.


No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.


7. No duplicate posts.


If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.


8. Misinformation is prohibited.


Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.


9. No link shorteners.


The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.


10. Don't copy entire article in your post body


For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS