This is so funny. The entire point of cryptocurrency was to be an irreversible, untraceable currency. Now these dipshits are sueing over losses? I don't know if they are severely mistaken or severely angry. You are not getting that back. Neither do you deserve to. You knew what you were doing.
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The first step is "Fuck the government!" The second step is always "Help me, Obi Wan Government, you're my only hope!"
I deserve help from the government as I've done everything right and just been unfortunate. Its everyone else who have got into trouble entirely through their own doing that don't deserve help.
Also: "why do things that happen to stupid people keep happening to me?"
When was cryptocurrency meant to be untraceable? It literally had the complete ledger out in the public.
They just seem really upset that the scam/grift/MLM didn't work out in their favour and they're the ones taking the loss.
I wasn't supposed to be the sucker!
You forgot unregulated which usually even makes it to the front row in a lot of arguments completely denying the necessity to even have regulations at all...
I don't really agree with this sentiment.
Are they dipshits?
Yes
Should Sothebys lose all credibility and be fined for faking an auction?
Also yes.
Should Bored Ape owners get any of their money back?
Naaaaaaaaaaaw
This crosses certain lines that are beyond just: huuuur crypto dumb
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It's hard to feel sorry for anyone who fell for a very obvious art grift. Even harder to be sorry for those caught grifting.
Even a cursory understanding of value would have told these people that pretty looking receipts are a piss poor investment, but no, they were convinced that NFT's (a tech they obviously knew nothing about) held intrinsic value despite having nothing of value backing them.
Everyone caught up in the NFT art grift did so because they thought they could make a quick buck being ahead of the wave of the next big pump and dump like crypto and got fucked by their hubris. The grifter's meanwhile were out here selling them graffiti'd up CVS receipts and saying they were worth the Mona Lisa.
The result? A perfectly valid and valuable technology has been completely disregarded by the public because 90% of people were too stupid to think before they bought into a tech they didn't understand and they all lost money to grifters. Worlds most widespread art grift and everyone was played a fool, and a valuable tech has been discredited, misunderstood, and shunned.
A perfectly valid and valuable technology has been completely disregarded by the public
Damn, you were so close! Just expand what you said about NFTs to the whole crypto bullshit and you got it.
The one example I’ve heard that makes sense are NFTs to represent a purchase of digital games. This then allows the selling of digital keys second hand.
Other than that it all sounds like a scam.
you dont need useless nft tech for that to be possible
Of course not, but what little I know of NFTs is they do the two things needed for that to be possible: one, ability to transfer ownership, and two, verify ownership.
I have no clue if NFTs are the best way to accomplish that, let alone even a good way, and people much smarter than me can figure that out.
In the end I don’t think it matters. For it to be viable it would require the big companies to adopt it, which I never see them accepting a legal way to do second hand sales of digital goods.
Yeah, if you are waiting for a company that loses money through second-hand sales to implement an NFT scheme to facilitate second-hand sales... That could take a while.
This post of yours is one that I completely agree with.
That's a fundamental issue with NFTs though. Every instance of a fitting use case already has a non-NFT way to accomplish the same in the way the people in charge want to keep it.
Why would e.g. Steam want you to be able to trade games without Steam being involved/getting a cut? They can just ask you go buy from them.
Why would a state want to hand over control over the land registry to some cryptobro?
Why would the whole financial side of the art industry want to hand over control to a block chain and make themselves redundant?
Also, revertability of mistakes is a core feature of any reasonable transaction system. A system without that is worthless.
Sorry, this turned into a rant.
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That is already possible without the use of NFTs, and much more efficient and secure.
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Neither side of this looks good for crypto bros.
One side says, "This was a ripoff; you knew it was a ripoff when you sold it to us."
The other side says, "This was a stunt; you knew it was a stunt when you bought in."
"Yes your Honour, I knew it was a pyramid scheme. But I never thought I would be the last buyer. I always thought there would be another dumbass to buy it from me at a higher price, otherwise I wouldn't have bought it in the first place. I'm not stupid, unlike those last buyers!
Moreover, your Honour, on a technical note, this is not a monkey. You see, a monkey is different from a monke, and both..."
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The amended lawsuit alleges that "Yuga colluded with fine arts broker, Defendant Sotheby's, to run a deceptive auction." After the sale, a Sotheby's representative described the winning bidder during a Twitter Spaces event as a "traditional" collector, the lawsuit said.
The lawsuit said it turned out the auction buyer was now-bankrupt crypto exchange FTX, whose founder Sam Bankman-Fried is in jail awaiting trial on criminal charges. Ethereum blockchain transaction data shows that after the auction, "Sotheby's transferred the lot of BAYC NFTs to wallet address 0xf8e0C93Fd48B4C34A4194d3AF436b13032E641F3,77 which, upon information and belief, is owned/controlled by FTX," the complaint said. Speculation that FTX was the buyer had been percolating since at least January 2023.
So basically, they're alleging Sotheby's, Yuga, and FTX staged the auction to pump the price. Bold claim, curious how this will play out.
Isn't pumping the price kinda the job of sotherbys/auctions?
I mean, they do have them on record lying about it, so not that bold.
The amended lawsuit alleges that "Yuga colluded with fine arts broker, Defendant Sotheby's, to run a deceptive auction." After the sale, a Sotheby's representative described the winning bidder during a Twitter Spaces event as a "traditional" collector, the lawsuit said.
The lawsuit said it turned out the auction buyer was now-bankrupt crypto exchange FTX, whose founder Sam Bankman-Fried is in jail awaiting trial on criminal charges.
I don't think it's fair to pin this all on people who got duped. Calling FTX, a company now known for throwing around large sums of stolen money to pump up the brand, bribe government officials, and fix prices, a "traditional collector", is beyond misleading.
Yeah fuck these stupid NFT scams but fuck FTX more. They knew what they were doing. They also are alleged to have been behind the giant Bitcoin price pump of 2021
lmao even they can never be a true investor
[Bored Ape NFTs can now be purchased for just $50,000 each.]
You can also buy my special doodles for $12 million each.
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i don't think you can sue for buying the losing ticket of crypto gambling
All of this NFT art is so ugly. If it was unique in a visually pleasing way—okay buy it. But to me, all of these images just look basically the same but with a new background or accessory.
Are there any actually good looking NFT series?
Every NFT I've seen looks like dogshit, and crypto enthusiasts get so angry when I point it out.
I have some that I didn't pay for and they also look fkn stoopid. Like the artists are people who just discovered how to use Photoshop last week, but never learned how to draw
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What a bunch a dumb apes
Wish I could feel sorry, but so much of the NFT audience responded with such smugness and superiority to any warning and criticism, that it is hard to summon any other feeling than schadenfreude
We tried to warn them... Their fault.
But I like how quiet the cryptobros in my vicinity have been over the last year. Not a single one told me to buy crypto in a while.
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Hahahahahaha
Bored Ape, in particular, was tried as an attempt to bring digital art into the fine art market to use as a tax dodge. If this case goes to court I hope it's going to shine a big bright light on the fact that a lot of the fine arts market has been a giant tax dodge scam for decades. 🤞
Not that it's been a secret, but exposure is good.
Yep. People shit on nfts all day long for good reason, but ultimately they're just an extension of the art world in general being a market for scams and dodgy practices.
Poor Ape Rot Club.
They were fungable after all!
Whaaaaaaaaaat? Who could have possibly have seen this coming??
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