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Reflecting on the firefish/calckey "moment" (hachyderm.io)
submitted 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) by maegul@hachyderm.io to c/fediverse@lemmy.ml
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Reflecting on the firefish/calckey "moment"

which was about a year ago now, I can't help but suspect it was a small event with wider implications on the dominance of #mastodon in the #fediverse

I think it was the last chance to direct the twitter migration energy into discovering new/different fedi platforms.

And it was blown, with alt-social in a weird steady/waiting state that's smaller I suspect, than what many hoped for.

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#firefish #calckey

cntd: https://hachyderm.io/@maegul/112358202238795371

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[–] maegul@lemmy.ml 8 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Copying the linked thread here (cuz I stuffed it up):

So the basic story would be that mastodon's dominance is pretty entrenched and the "migration" event is mostly "over" (whatever other "events" are on their way)

But I wonder about the details of the firefish moment

I think it revealed that there are/were plenty interested in novel & different platforms. We're novelty seekers after all right. Generally, I'd wager any new platform needs some degree of novelty to "make it".

Further, its collapse showed how hard creating a new platform is.

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Firefish did well at presenting itself as "professional", capable and rich. But these were over-promises, and despite a number of people being involved or contributing, a good deal of user enthusiasm, the whole thing fell into a heap.

And that's the bit that concerns me. How many people/teams are there both capable and willing to put up a good, successful and sustainable platform?

The #firefish lesson may be that the fediverse just hasn't attracted a healthy building culture/personnel. 3/3

[–] Blaze@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

To me, FireFish got replaced by IceShrimp. Good looking interface, nice features (Antenna) and regular releases.

[–] maegul@lemmy.ml 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yea it’s descendant too. There’s also sharkey and catodon too.

[–] Blaze@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

IIRC, Catodon development is currently halted (https://catodon.social/notes/9rl77swzw25jjq7x).

Sharkey I don't know

There really is a whole *keys forks lore ha ha

[–] Subversivo 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The problem is that Misskey code is bad. This is the main reason the forks exist at all. Iceshrimp is rewriting from scratch in C# and it's my main hope for the *keys.

[–] maegul@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I did not know this about iceshrimp and c#! Any links to their reasoning etc?

[–] Subversivo 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Sorry anout the delay. The siteis iceshrimp.net

[–] maegul@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 months ago

Huh. Thanks!!

[–] 0xtero@beehaw.org 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Thanks for the context.

And yeah - a lot of fedi is built on spur of the moment inspiration without much planning on the long term. Sometimes it works out (like pixelfeed and the other related projects) and sometimes the passion of one (or small group) of devs just isn't enough.

Lemmy is pretty good example (from the other side of the scale) as well - we're at version 0.18.4 - and the devs are pretty hostile.

[–] maegul@lemmy.ml 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Lemmy is pretty good example (from the other side of the scale) as well - we’re at version 0.18.4 - and the devs are pretty hostile.

Don't know exactly what you mean ... but AFAICT, this is a relatively beehaw situation, for better or worse.

[–] 0xtero@beehaw.org 3 points 6 months ago

Yeah, exactly the beehaw vs. lemmy situation.

[–] 0xtero@beehaw.org 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Congrats and/or condolences for this "moment".

I guess I'd have to check mastodon to find the rest of this thread and the context of what it actually references. Posting into Lemmy/Kbin groups from long mastodon threads is quite janky experience, I find.

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[–] Emperor@feddit.uk 4 points 6 months ago

I'm on a Firefish instance and have been really enjoying the features but the constant *key forks and failures means I am not exactly committing myself to it (I also have a Mastodon account). However, I am also not the biggest micro-blogger as that needs brevity. Perhaps when/if I find the right home that'll change.

[–] maegul@hachyderm.io 0 points 6 months ago

So the basic story would be that mastodon's dominance is pretty entrenched and the "migration" event is mostly "over" (whatever other "events" are on their way)

But I wonder about the details of the firefish moment

I think it revealed that there are/were plenty interested in novel & different platforms. We're novelty seekers after all right. Generally, I'd wager any new platform needs some degree of novelty to "make it".

Further, its collapse showed how hard creating a new platform is.

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